Orion vs Ulik in hand to hand fight

Originally posted by h1a8
You must look at more of current events along with entire history to make decisions.

classic thor was inconsistent. Look at the moongoose fight, him being trapped by ice, shot by bullets, etc. We need to look at outside instances away from Thor to confirm Ulik's level. How do we know that Colossus is far inferior to Glads although they fought almost to a standstill? Because of outside feats and showings.
Outside of classic Thor Ulik has no feats higher than Colossus level. Also current characters hold more water. More currently Thor one shotted Ulik showing that Thor is clearly far above him in physicality.

So if Thor can one shot Ulik in more recent times then what do you think Orion can do?

Classic Thor suffered from "Superman Complex", where he held back very often, obviously, saving his most powerful attacks for the most powerful enemies.

Ulik, at his best, has been able to beat Thor (as I posted above) and has also been a severe threat to Thor.

Thor has fought Ulik many times

Originally posted by Horrificus
Personally, I am an Orion fan and I do think he is very powerful. But, he is not anywhere near current Thor. Thor, one shotting Ulik, doesn't do much for the Orion argument.

Classic Thor suffered from "Superman Complex", where he held back very often, obviously, saving his most powerful attacks for the most powerful enemies.

Ulik, at his best, has been able to beat Thor (as I posted above) and has also been a severe threat to Thor.

Thor has fought Ulik many times

Orion fully geared is arguably more powerful than Thor. He is a peer of Superman.
Physically, anything close to Superman is beyond Thor. But let's not go there. You can't base Ulik's level off fighting Thor, no matter how many times he fought him. You have to look at other instances that tell whether Thor was written down to Ulik. All other instances point to Thor being written down to Ulik. Classic Thor has struggled many times against beings and things that a high end Thor would laugh at. Look at the Gladiator Colossus fight, what about the Thor mongoose fight, what about the Colossus Hulk fight where Colossus won, etc.

Ulik wasn't designed to be a class 100 being (or a very low one at best) as you see in his appearances outside Thor. He is very skilled, has tremendous heart and aggressiveness. This makes him more dangerous than his lower end strength says.

In forum rules, we argue current characters. That means Ulik is around Colossus level since nowadays Thor can one shot him.

I thought it was best showings from the characters

Originally posted by golem370
I thought it was best showings from the characters

Also showings AGAINST CHARACTERS go both ways. Either it was a good showing for Ulik against Thor in the past or it was a low showing for Thor. How can we decide which is the case? Outside showings is the key.

Was Colossus against Gladiator a good showing for Colossus or a bad showing for Gladiator? Was Spidey against Firelord a good showing for Spidey or a bad showing for Firelord?

Instances can range from extreme PIS to slight contradictory.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well best showings if they are current. Otherwise, things gets desperate and not reflective of how characters are currently portrayed.

Also showings AGAINST CHARACTERS go both ways. Either it was a good showing for Ulik against Thor in the past or it was a low showing for Thor. How can we decide which is the case? Outside showings is the key.

Was Colossus against Gladiator a good showing for Colossus or a bad showing for Gladiator? Was Spidey against Firelord a good showing for Spidey or a bad showing for Firelord?

Instances can range from extreme PIS to slight contradictory.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The dog of war isn't a pansy like goldilocks. Ulik gets his shit pushed in.
😂

Orion's not a small god from a small world, unlike a certain blonde pagan deity from Marvel, huh?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're talking about a guy who hasn't lost a single fight against superman in their half dozen fights here. But you're carver afterall.

Orion's never lost to Superman in a fight?

Not that it's relevant in a hand-to-hand fight, especially with someone like Ulik, but just sayin'.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Well, you damn well better at least admit that, well, admit that Ulik is cool!

Admitting would mean it's true, so there's nothing to admit. 😄