(Dynasty of Evil) Darth Bane -vs- (The Force Unleashed II) Darth Vader

Seems like Bane in the Orbs is ridiculous for anyone to try and solo. He has few vulnerable spots, heals almost instantaneously and besides them augmenting his force powers anyway, they can inject their chemicals and send him into a rage of pure darkside energy. Just don't see Vader being able to stand against that, especially his lightning and TK, both of which his has used to reduce opponents to ash/atoms.

Outside of the "Force Gods" like Nihilus, The Ones, Vitiate etc... do people think Bane is the most powerful Force User, or myabe Galen Marek?

No. Bane is top tier and nigh-unstoppable, but he isn't the most powerful, same with Marek.

Who then? Exar Kun or Luke Skywalker maybe? Note again that I am excluding poeple like Nihiilus, Abeloth, Zonama etc.

Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
Outside of the "Force Gods" like Nihilus, The Ones, Vitiate etc... do people think Bane is the most powerful Force User, or myabe Galen Marek?

Outside of them, Bane is near the top. Probably Luke overall though.

Luke is generally regarded as being a Force God himself. As in, "Most powerful Force user to ever live" Force God.

The stupid cartoon and writers think that "Oh, I need something. UBER POWERFUL PERSON LUL"

Frankly, I do not consider the Ones or Abeloth to be Force Users, rather part of the Force itself. Representing their respective things (for the Ones) and Abeloth represents the ever changing future, and how it can lead to complete destruction.

Isn't it made clear that Luke is literally nowhere near as powerful as people Like Abeloth and Zonama etc..? What has he done to be comapred to people like Nihilus?

I mean, he's the hero of the story so that kind of prevents him form being this all powerful god in a way. That is why it is usually villains or non participants who ultimaately have the edge because the writers cna afford to make them into gods and not ruin the story.

Lets see, cloaked a planet forever with the Force, beaten Abeloth, trolled Vader, beat Caedus quite badly, and pretty much became the guy you never want against you. Ever.

Trust me, Lukes list of feats is so long, we could all sit here and list them off and not get them all.

Lets see, cloaked a planet forever with the Force,

This sounds interesting, but how well does it translate to combat or being a real threat with the Force? It certianly is not the same as festroying planet like Nihilus does.

beaten Abeloth,

Did he not do this despite being much less powerful in the Force though? And only once right, whereas Abeloth was fighting on good fighting against both Luke and Krayt at another time or something?

trolled Vader, beat Caedus quite badly,

These 2 do not impress me.

Luke has manipulated black holes, and used the Force to make himself so immovable, that 'not even the supermassive blackhole at the centre of the universe could move him.' He's used the Force to demolish Vaders castle brick by brick and then put it back together again, and fought Sidious in his most powerful incarnation. Lucas has said that Luke is what Anakin would be if he reached his potential as being 'about twice as powerful as Sidious.'

Originally posted by Nephthys
Luke has manipulated black holes, and used the Force to make himself so immovable, that 'not even the supermassive blackhole at the centre of the universe could move him.'

Is this same thing or seperate incidences? And if he is that powerful why does he get his ass kicked numerous occasions and why does he admit inferiority to Zonama and Abeloth etc? The vast majority of books Luke appears in he really isnt exactly portrayed in such a Godly manner so I will also quetsion whether they were result of maybe alightside nexus he was at or deus ex machina?

He's used the Force to demolish Vaders castle brick by brick and then put it back together again,

This is good but puts him around TSA level.

and fought Sidious in his most powerful incarnation.

With help of leia's battle meditation and in lightsabers only.

Lucas has said that Luke is what Anakin would be if he reached his potential as being 'about twice as powerful as Sidious.'

George doesn;t even pay attention to post ROTJ EU and proabbly will overwrite it at some point in future so I'm not sure why he would say this.

I guess my point is, with certain characters, you get the sense of them being these incredible titans of cosmic proportions, these Gods, like The Ones, Nihilus, Vitiate (apparently), Xonama Sekot and her mother, Full Potential Anakin, Force Storm Sidious I guess. You don't get dame impression from the narration in the books that Luke appears in. He just seems like any other jedi, only the very most powerful of them. Someone like Bane or Exar Kun or Revan. Anybody can disagree with this and quetsion whether Nihilus was one trick pony or whatever but I;m sure that deep down in your hearts you know this to be true and can see that there is clear cutoff between the Gods of SW and the really powerful heroes and villains of SW. Luke is second catagoiry.

My personal pick for non Force-God would be TSA btw.

Originally posted by Darth Ray Park

Is this same thing or seperate incidences? And if he is that powerful why does he get his ass kicked numerous occasions and why does he admit inferiority to Zonama and Abeloth etc? The vast majority of books Luke appears in he really isnt exactly portrayed in such a Godly manner so I will also quetsion whether they were result of maybe alightside nexus he was at or deus ex machina?
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Seperate, and because he holds back alot, and doesn't use the Force offensively.

But, no Luke really is that powerful.

Yeah. Light Side tends to inspire humility, especially considering how he desperately avoids the Dark Side at all costs. He doesn't even use the Force to much after Spectre of the Past (where Mara makes a comment about "Using the Force like a Sith" I think it was)

Plus what Neph said.

But how do we factor that into these threads or our rankings? If he holds back, well then, its his choice, should we not take that character mentality into considertaion?

It really should be stressed that "A Jedi uses to force for knowledge and defense...never for attack." Lightsiders are disadvantaged in using the Force in a fight.

But even defencively Luke has gotten overpowered numerous times in fights, and it is stated that Abeloth is like 20 times more powerful period, not just 20 times more powereful when hes holding back right?

Indeed, which is why Abeloth is the most powerful being in SW, period.

Still though to be 20 times less powerful and still on a sort of "godly" level... what can Abeloth simulatenously move 20 black wholes at once?

No, she seems to kind of suck at fighting. She doesn't live up to that number at all.