Galactus vs. Mad Celestials was the biggest stated amp that Galactus has ever had. How that Galactus compares to the Galactus that fought the Galactus Engine in terms of the number of planets Galactus had recently eaten will determine Franklin's chances as he was pretty comparable to the 4-planet amped Galactus. Also Round two depends on how amped Galactus is when he helps Franklin fight against the Galactus Engine.
Oh and did I mention Galactus? ermmcreep
Originally posted by Cogito
Galactus vs. Mad Celestials was the biggest stated amp that Galactus has ever had. How that Galactus compares to the Galactus that fought the Galactus Engine in terms of the number of planets Galactus had recently eaten will determine Franklin's chances as he was pretty comparable to the 4-planet amped Galactus. Also Round two depends on how amped Galactus is when he helps Franklin fight against the Galactus Engine.Oh and did I mention Galactus? ermmcreep
I believe the highest amp Galactus ever had was eating his Worldship in the Secret Wars . Plus , 616-Celestials > 4280-Celestials imo .
And Franklin and Galen only faced 3 (Galen alone faced 4) Mad Space Gods .
The GE took on Galactus , T&A , and in this panel at least 8 616 Celestials(including Arishem , although I think he's not shown in this panel) :
Who's winning this , you decide .
Originally posted by Cogito
Galactus vs. Mad Celestials was the biggest stated amp that Galactus has ever had. How that Galactus compares to the Galactus that fought the Galactus Engine in terms of the number of planets Galactus had recently eaten will determine Franklin's chances as he was pretty comparable to the 4-planet amped Galactus. Also Round two depends on how amped Galactus is when he helps Franklin fight against the Galactus Engine.Oh and did I mention Galactus? ermmcreep
So are you saying that in round 2--where Galactus and Franklin fight the Galactus engine--it depends on Galactus' hunger level when Galactus was fighting the Galactus Engine, and whether Galactus was as well-fed as the Galactus in the FF4, and if he was as well-fed as that Galactus, this Galactus with Franklin will have a better chance against the Galactus Engine? Galactus?
I think the Galactus Engine is too much for just Franklin and Galactus to combat. It killed Aegis and Arishem (iirc) and forced the others to retreat, except Galactus himself (Big G ain't no punk), but he would have fallen if not for Death overwhelming the Cancerverse and collapsing the Fault on the GE, destroying it and everything else from the Cancerverse.
If I recall correctly, the GE was just the Cancerverse's Galactus corrupted and driven insane.
It's basically a ravenous Galactus, stripped of all morals and qualms... hungry hungry hippo!
Galactus, in a forum battle, should be able to UN the thing or simply consume it, imo.
He's got the same capabilities and he has his wits about him too (as well as the UN).
Originally posted by MF DELPH
I think the Galactus Engine is too much for just Franklin and Galactus to combat. It killed Aegis and Arishem (iirc) and forced the others to retreat, except Galactus himself (Big G ain't no punk), but he would have fallen if not for Death overwhelming the Cancerverse and collapsing the Fault on the GE, destroying it and everything else from the Cancerverse.
I don't think any Celestial was depicted as being destroyed . Aegis was, but she was the only Cosmic who was shown getting "killed" and even then it wasn't GE who killed her , but apparently the Many-Angled -Ones did .
Considering the fact that Arishem and an entire host of Celestials appeared in an arc of the Uncanny X-Men (when Mr Sinister messed around with the Dreaming Celestial) , I am pretty sure they(Celestials) weren't destroyed . They simply realized that it was pointless to battle and retreated , leaving Galactus alone with the GE .
Originally posted by vince_slice
So are you saying that in round 2--where Galactus and Franklin fight the Galactus engine--it depends on Galactus' hunger level when Galactus was fighting the Galactus Engine, and whether Galactus was as well-fed as the Galactus in the FF4, and if he was as well-fed as that Galactus, this Galactus with Franklin will have a better chance against the Galactus Engine? Galactus?
👆 Exactly.
Realistically though, the Galactus Engine in all likelihood wins regardless of whether Galactus (as he was when he fought the Galactus Engine) was amped. If Galactus was hungry at that time, though, then that changes everything. IIRC the Galactus Engine wasn't shown to have actually killed anyone. The only "abstract" shown dying was Aegis, who was killed by the Many Angled Ones rather than the Galactus Engine. Galactus was specifically shown holding off the Galactus Engine alone, although it certainly appeared as though Galactus was going to fall to the Galactus Engine very soon if Death hadn't done her thing.
So from this we can surmise that the Galactus Engine > Galactus. We also have a pretty good sense that Franklin = Galactus (amped by 4 planets). IMO the difference between Galactus and the Galactus Engine was more likely greater than the difference between the Galactus that fought the Galactus Engine and the Galactus that fought the Mad Celestials. By that reasoning, the Galactus Engine wins scenario 1.
For scenario 2 though, I feel it would depend on how amped Galactus is. If it's 4 planet Galactus and Franklin, then I think their combined might is probably greater than the Galactus Engine.
Originally posted by janus77
If I recall correctly, the GE was just the Cancerverse's Galactus corrupted and driven insane.It's basically a ravenous Galactus, stripped of all morals and qualms... hungry hungry hippo!
Galactus, in a forum battle, should be able to UN the thing or simply consume it, imo.
He's got the same capabilities and he has his wits about him too (as well as the UN).
The Galactus Engine was the Galactus of the Cancerverses's mutilatated remains placed in a giant machine by the Many Angled Ones to amplify and weaponize him. Like a gigantic Cyborg Galactus Weapon. It's not just a really really hungry Galactus.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I don't think any Celestial was depicted as being destroyed . Aegis was, but she was the only Cosmic who was shown getting "killed" and even then it wasn't GE who killed her , but apparently the Many-Angled -Ones did .Considering the fact that Arishem and an entire host of Celestials appeared in an arc of the Uncanny X-Men (when Mr Sinister messed around with the Dreaming Celestial) , I am pretty sure they(Celestials) weren't destroyed . They simply realized that it was pointless to battle and retreated , leaving Galactus alone with the GE .
I thought the direct fallout of The Thanos Initiative Arc/Cancerverse War was that Arishem died and left the Cellestials without a judge due to his death so a new judge has to be chosen? There may be a continuity issue with that X-Men comic you're referencing.
Originally posted by CogitoYou know, I think I agree with this.
👆 Exactly.Realistically though, the Galactus Engine in all likelihood wins regardless of whether Galactus (as he was when he fought the Galactus Engine) was amped. If Galactus was hungry at that time, though, then that changes everything. IIRC the Galactus Engine wasn't shown to have actually killed anyone. The only "abstract" shown dying was Aegis, who was killed by the Many Angled Ones rather than the Galactus Engine. Galactus was specifically shown holding off the Galactus Engine alone, although it certainly appeared as though Galactus was going to fall to the Galactus Engine very soon if Death hadn't done her thing.
So from this we can surmise that the Galactus Engine > Galactus. We also have a pretty good sense that Franklin = Galactus (amped by 4 planets). IMO the difference between Galactus and the Galactus Engine was more likely greater than the difference between the Galactus that fought the Galactus Engine and the Galactus that fought the Mad Celestials. By that reasoning, the Galactus Engine wins scenario 1.
For scenario 2 though, I feel it would depend on how amped Galactus is. If it's 4 planet Galactus and Franklin, then I think their combined might is probably greater than the Galactus Engine.
As for how powerful Galactus was during TI: if he would have been unusually amped, I'm quite sure the writer's would've made that clear (they always do.) But since nothing of the sort was mentioned, we can only assume he was at his regular levels of nourishment--and he would have only been getting weaker as the battle pressed on.
Anyhow, at one point we saw that Galactus, Tenebrous, and 3 other Celestials were able to hold back the GE:
They were barely able to do it, but they were doing it none the less.
If a standard Galactus + 4 other 'Galactus-likes' were able to hold off the GE, then a hugely amped Galactus (ie. after consuming 4 worlds) + Franklin, who is on par with an amped Galactus, just might be able to do the same (possibly more.) Maybe.
