Darth Zannah -vs- Darth Tyranus

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Of course, but the Reach-part is important. If he can use his reach to attack her offending limbs, he can control the duel comfortably.

What limbs? Zannah basically just spins her lightsaber in front of herself to protect from attacks like shield. Its stupid, but it shouldn't let some get through to attack her limbs.

Originally posted by Nephthys
What limbs? Zannah basically just spins her lightsaber in front of herself to protect from attacks like shield. Its stupid, but it shouldn't let some get through to attack her limbs.

He would only need to attack her hands or wrists, and since she wouldn't be spinning her saber like a rotor-blade all time, he could always parry and counter one of her strikes, timing his counterattack, to tap her hand or wrist.

Actually, that is what she does. Spins it all the time. And f*cks up your mind while shes at it.

Originally posted by Pwned
Actually, that is what she does. Spins it all the time. And f*cks up your mind while shes at it.

She can't have done that all the time. 😆

That's Monty Python-territory.

Just like Bane's rainstorm feat, I imagine it would look completely ridiculous.

Originally posted by Pwned
The point I was trying to get across was that Kenobi doesn't have the same amount of general mastery that Zannah does. Zannah could use all 7 forms effectively, but she pursued Soresu beyond the others because of her physical size making it the most advantageous. Whilst Kenobi perfected Soresu, mastered Ataru, and added in Shii-Cho and Niman. It leaves him much more specialized than Zannah.

Being more specialized would make him more effective, would it not. Also, to what extent did Zannah master the other 6 forms?

In any case, spinning her lightsaber around won't protect her fingers all of the time, and all Dooku needs to do is time, parry and tap her hand, or step in at an angle and tap her fingers.

The thing is, Zannah isn't going to be breaking out Djem So suddenly, and Dooku knows how to handle it. He's the one who taught it to Grievous and trained with him.

I imagine Bane would have had her master all of them, even if only to be able to teach it to her eventual appprentice and keep all the knowledge of the forms throughout the line of the RoT, but thats just speculation.

Originally posted by Master_Galen
Being more specialized would make him more effective, would it not. Also, to what extent did Zannah master the other 6 forms?

Originally posted by Pwned
She had a working knowledge of them, and could employ them in a fight, but she was just at the level where she could teach them (well, some. She could use the ones that did not require overwhelming physical force with ease, while the ones that did require it, she could use just enough to teach) however, when dealing with a form that is more effective against Soresu, having it be your main plan, your fall back, and your final contingency isn't good.

Dooku too had a working knowledge of all 7 forms and could effectively teach them to others, he taught Greivous all 7 forms. Also, we have seen what Dooku can do against Soresu.

Exactly. Like I said, Dooku has the advantage here, but not as heavily as some may be inclined to think.

Thing is...Zannah was losing pretty solidly to Sarro, who is not close to the swordsman Dooku is. We have seen Dooku's superiority to Ventress, to Grievous, his equality at least to Mace Windu, and his piercing the guard of Obi-wan, a finer Soresu master than Zannah, he crushed Tholme and Sora Bulq simultaneously on Bakura despite being wearied.

If Zannah switches forms, there's a problem: Dooku knows all of them, and he's fought against each one. ...she has NOTHING to survive him, and her little trick of impenetrable spinning blades will only last so long.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Thing is...Zannah was losing pretty solidly to Sarro

Because his strength was causing her to tire out faster than he was. He wasn't actually overcoming her defenses iirc.

IMO Dooku will not be able to replicate that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because his strength was causing her to tire out faster than he was. He wasn't actually overcoming her defenses iirc.

IMO Dooku will not be able to replicate that.

Sarro broke her guard at one point. then Johun dived in the way and lost Sarro his chance to kill her. Zannah confessed she'd have died earlier if not for Johun being a screw up.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because his strength was causing her to tire out faster than he was. He wasn't actually overcoming her defenses iirc.

IMO Dooku will not be able to replicate that.

Dooku was able to easily handle Greivous, who is much stronger than Sarro.

By augmenting his strength with the Force, which tires him out.

Good point though LS, I forgot about that.

Dooku doesn't look winded after his struggles with Grievous or Asajj though, I should point out. While he won't be overpowering Zannah physically, he was capable of defeating Tholme, hinted to be a Makashi user, and Sora, one of the only Vaapad masters around when he was tired.

True. I'm not saying that Dooku won't be able defeat her in a lightsaber duel, just pointing out that Sarro's great physical strength was the reason he was winning, not that Zannah just sucks.

Personally though I find the concept to be retarded. Zannah is a ****ing Sith Lord, she should be able to augment her strength to the point where a lack of muscle is meaningless, like Yoda and Sidious do. Its just Karpyshan being a mysoginst dickbag.

Though they both had knowledge of and were effective with all 7 forms, they each put a particular focus on one form and I would say that Dooku mastered his chosen form to a higher degree, as well as that form being the dueling form to boot.