Bor had the power output to one shot kill a Thor without the Odin Force and the act of simply powering up ala DBZ was planet threatening. Of course, some...less enlightened people will chalk that up to hype or hyperbole, even though there's nothing to suggest that at all.
Don't see how WBH "easily" beats Bor, tbh, though it's possible he'd win.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankWasn't Thormal Nor beating Bor, and then Hela blew him up? Same with him about to be killed by the Disir who Thormal Nor withstood, along with Tyr. And who Loki beat. Same with him being killed by Loki...
Bor had the power output to one shot kill a Thor without the Odin Force and the act of simply powering up ala DBZ was planet threatening. Of course, some...less enlightened people will chalk that up to hype or hyperbole, even though there's nothing to suggest that at all.Don't see how WBH "easily" beats Bor, tbh, though it's possible he'd win.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Wasn't Thormal Nor beating Bor, and then Hela blew him up? Same with him about to be killed by the Disir who Thormal Nor withstood, along with Tyr. And who Loki beat. Same with him being killed by Loki...
IIRC, since Bor had died, he was effectively a slave to Hela who had domionin over his soul. The Disir were all over the place as well. Loki beat Bor via ambushing him before he could muster his godly defenses as it was pretty clear that straight up he likely would have gotten slaughtered.
Good points, but the Bor displayed in Thor #600 was clearly intended to be a trans-level being.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Bor lived up to his name.Thor beat him. So did Loki with the flick of a wrist. Much like Hulk did to Loki in the recent movie lolz.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Wasn't Thormal Nor beating Bor, and then Hela blew him up? Same with him about to be killed by the Disir who Thormal Nor withstood, along with Tyr. And who Loki beat. Same with him being killed by Loki...
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor beat him with a portion of the odinforce so he wasn't anywhere near to the power levels of Odin, etc. Loki transmuted him for crying out loud.
And then you have.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
IIRC, since Bor had died, he was effectively a slave to Hela who had domionin over his soul. The Disir were all over the place as well. Loki beat Bor via ambushing him before he could muster his godly defenses as it was pretty clear that straight up he likely would have gotten slaughtered.Good points, but the Bor displayed in Thor #600 was clearly intended to be a trans-level being.
Intensions of power don't hold up to shown battle feats. An Old World Trans who lost so badly to simple tricks and a melee battle just doesn't add up.
WBH absolutely murders this fight. Stop relying on basic tier levels.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor beat Bor by hitting him so hard Mjolnir actually broke. Loki transmuted Bor because he got the jump on him and prepped for the entire encounter; considering what Loki is capable of with prep and a sneak attack, how that's some kind of humiliating lost is beyond me.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Thor currently in the middle of a huge self doubt saga at that time? Mjolnir was cracking and he had problems dealing with random demi gods? He needed Dr Strange to bond himself to the hammer to heal it?
No crap it broke he killed his grand-dad.
And Loki timetravelling through a deal with Hela to simply cast a spell to contain him is lame in regards to your boasts of Bor being as powerful as you say he is.
Bor was the birth of something beautiful but he wasn't as almighty as you claim. He was simply part of something growing. That would one day become something bigger.
Once again correct me if I'm wrong. I'm open to any feats that sugest otherwise.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Thor currently in the middle of a huge self doubt saga at that time? Mjolnir was cracking and he had problems dealing with random demi gods? He needed Dr Strange to bond himself to the hammer to heal it?No crap it broke he killed his grand-dad.
And Loki timetravelling through a deal with Hela to simply cast a spell to contain him is lame in regards to your boasts of Bor being as powerful as you say he is.Bor was the birth of something beautiful but he wasn't as almighty as you claim. He was simply part of something growing. That would one day become something bigger.
Once again correct me if I'm wrong. I'm open to any feats that sugest otherwise.
No, not really. He was busy trying to lead the Asgardians peacefully through a new era free of the old ways (ie. Odin's mentality). The doubt and whatnot didn't come until after he was banished, which was after he slayed Bor. Mjolnir was like wise in perfect condition.
It didn't break because of symbolism; it broke because he struck Mjolnir against Bor with such force it shattered. Considering that was an amped Thor, that's an impressive death feat as it were.
...not sure how that is something to discredit? Loki's sorcery is immense and it clearly states that Loki attacked Bor before Bor could summon his godly defenses; the frost giants he was hunting didn't know any potent enough magic for Bor to concern himself with. It was made plain as day the context as to Loki transmuting him. And again, it was a Loki who had prepared for this moment for lord knows how long to alter his own timeline. Loki with prep is incredibly potent. Hell, without prep, he's able to stagger beings like Surtur w/Twilight under his own power.
Just how almighty am I claiming Bor to be...? He's as powerful as he actually was portrayed in the comics. Not Odin level (which I never said and I'm pretty positive no one else claimed), but still powerful enough to take OF Thor to the brink.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
No, not really. He was busy trying to lead the Asgardians peacefully through a new era free of the old ways (ie. Odin's mentality). The doubt and whatnot didn't come until after he was banished, which was after he slayed Bor. Mjolnir was like wise in perfect condition.It didn't break because of symbolism; it broke because he struck Mjolnir against Bor with such force it shattered. Considering that was an amped Thor, that's an impressive death feat as it were.
...not sure how that is something to discredit? Loki's sorcery is immense and it clearly states that Loki attacked Bor before Bor could summon his godly defenses; the frost giants he was hunting didn't know any potent enough magic for Bor to concern himself with. It was made plain as day the context as to Loki transmuting him. And again, it was a Loki who had prepared for this moment for lord knows how long to alter his own timeline. Loki with prep is incredibly potent. Hell, without prep, he's able to stagger beings like Surtur w/Twilight under his own power.
Just how almighty am I claiming Bor to be...? He's as powerful as he actually was portrayed in the comics. Not Odin level (which I never said and I'm pretty positive no one else claimed), but still powerful enough to take OF Thor to the brink.
Thanks. You are a good poster. I thought the defeat of Bor happened during Thor's doubt saga.
And your point of Loki defeating Bor in the past with examples is also well put.
Well......consider my view on this battle being seeing Hulk's advantage being well over the line to being drawn closer to the the line.
Thanks for for the imput. 🙂
And seeing as how a forum battle has characters fighting at full power. Bor should supply a much better fight than the one shown in regards to the one Thor killed him in.
What are Bors best feats?
Originally posted by the ninjak
Thanks. You are a good poster. I thought the defeat of Bor happened during Thor's doubt saga.And your point of Loki defeating Bor in the past with examples is also well put.
Well......consider my view on this battle being seeing Hulk's advantage being well over the line to being drawn closer to the the line.
Thanks for for the imput. 🙂
No problem.
As it is, restricted to H2H, this is definitely a fight that Hulk can win.
Originally posted by the ninjak
What are Bors best feats?
Combat wise, he was capable of killing Thor in one shot by Thor's own admission; had he been without the Odin Force, he would have died, but instead suffered broken ribs. Considering the level of durability OF Thor had displayed earlier in the series (enduring a point blank shot from the Destroyer - which had killed him before - and suffering only destroyed armor and burns) it was clear that JMS intended Thor to be operating on a higher level than normally, especially in #600.
The act of him powering up and summoning his godly energies was enough to endanger and possibly destroy the planet by Thor's own account, as well.
Out of combat, depending on how much stock you want to put into Asgardian creation myth/lore, he's done shit like mold the Nine Realms.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
IIRC, since Bor had died, he was effectively a slave to Hela who had domionin over his soul. The Disir were all over the place as well. Loki beat Bor via ambushing him before he could muster his godly defenses as it was pretty clear that straight up he likely would have gotten slaughtered.Good points, but the Bor displayed in Thor #600 was clearly intended to be a trans-level being.
The Disir got beat by Loki, Thormal/Tyr, and probably some other dudes that I'm forgetting.
It still happened, and it still looks terrible for a being of his stature. His natural durability isn't enough to not get turned into snow?
What about Thormal Nor tanking his punches?
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Bor is the biggest letdown in comics right now.
