Ikaris vs Wonder Man

I'm trying to gauge where Wonder Man fits in the whole low/mid herald area, if at all, so I thought I'd try this battle out for a start.

Lets say the two being in the air above Cowboys stadium. In character, win by ko or death. No bfr. I'm not sure if Wonderman has changed much recently, so I'll say current and classic versions just in case one provides a better matchup than the other.

Who is Ikaris? Does he have wings he made?

ike

Originally posted by Black Devil
Who is Ikaris? Does he have wings he made?

Lol, nope. He is an Eternal

http://www.comicvine.com/ikaris/29-13967/

WM stronger and more durable!!

This is a good fight. I'm going to go with Ikaris though after a really long, tough battle.

Wonder Man for the win.

Wonder Man has an sizeable strength advantage Class 40 vs Class 95

Close fight...

Originally posted by golem370
Wonder Man has an sizeable strength advantage Class 40 vs Class 95

Yeah, intially I was thinking that as well. But Ikaris does seem to have a high level of energy manip abilities along with his other developed Eternal perks.

Ikaris doesn't have the Juice to put Simon down.

Wonderman is stronger than Class 95. The guy just lifted a pyramid. He also have showings of lifting 50000 tons.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonderman is stronger than Class 95. The guy just lifted a pyramid. He also have showings of lifting 50000 tons.

What types of energies can Ikaris manipulate? Woudl he be able to siphon or scramble Simon's whole ionic makeup at all? Or is he no longer primarily made up of ionic energy? It's been a while since I've read anything with him...lol

Naah, it appears he can turn his Ionic form on and off. Manipulating his energy might not work (even though Ironman contained him in some type of energy tube recently but this was with some prep, long prep on Ironman side).

Originally posted by carver9
Naah, it appears he can turn his Ionic form on and off. Manipulating his energy might not work (even though Ironman contained him in some type of energy tube recently but this was with some prep, long prep on Ironman side).

Oh that is pretty awesome then. Does he suffer any losses statwise when he turns it off?

That is a good sign for Simon I would think, Tony needing that much time to figure out how to contain him.

Originally posted by whacknasty
Oh that is pretty awesome then. Does he suffer any losses statwise when he turns it off?

That is a good sign for Simon I would think, Tony needing that much time to figure out how to contain him.

Not that I know of...honestly, it appears that his Ionic form pops up when he is in a rage, pissed...I could be wrong though. Majority of the time, he is glowing purple but when he was fighting the Avengers recently, trying to take them out, he was in his Ionic mode. Does anyone else have any info on this.

I agree, I don't think Ikaris is manipulating him.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonderman is stronger than Class 95. The guy just lifted a pyramid. He also have showings of lifting 50000 tons.

I'm pretty sure Thing has lifted a pyramid before too.

The official strength class rankings don't match up to the actual strength feats once you get out of the peak human range.

100 small cars equals 100 tons. Or a decent sized whale.

Absolutely no one in class 100 would be proud of being able to lift up the weight of 100 small cars, or a whale.

Anyway, the pyramid of giza by itself weighs millions of tons. I don't know whether lifting millions of tons is truly enough to make you a notable class 100. If anything, I would say lifting a million tons is the absolute bare minimum of a strength feat you would need (outside of comparisons to other people), to qualify as a class 100.

I don't remember Thing lifting a Pyramid. If you can lift millions of tons, that makes you a 100 tonner.

Grey Hulk casually toss a Pyramid.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11948644/11.jpg.html

Simon catches it (even though he strains a bit).

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11948645/12.jpg.html

Then he tosses it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11948646/13.jpg.html

Now if you look at previous showings with high Heralds vs Pyramids (not saying any names), they struggle to lift it. Simon and Hulk doing this, the WEAKEST version of Hulk, is an AMAZING ft.