Originally posted by carver9
It shows him passing the moon and then makes a u-turn back to Earth. It's obvious what happened. Yes by the way, that is the scan I am talking about. It's not inconsistent because it shows what happened as soon as Nul was bfred in space...the evidence is there, you are just ignoring it.
you don't know how gravity works clearly. the moon has gravitational pull as does the earth. never heard of sling shotting?
Originally posted by ctsketch
you don't know how gravity works clearly. the moon has gravitational pull as does the earth. never heard of sling shotting?
So him slinging "pass" the moon and then making a u-turn back to Earth is suppose to happen? Do you have scans of this happening in a comic without outside interference?
Originally posted by carver9
So him slinging "pass" the moon and then making a u-turn back to Earth is suppose to happen? Do you have scans of this happening in a comic without outside interference?
it could be ridiculous comic book physics but here is how things work in the real world
A.) The reason the moon orbits the earth instead of flying off on it's own is because its being effected by Earth's gravitational pull. the reason it does not slam into earth is it's momentum in space's relative vacuum. so even if hulk flies by the moon , since he was flying straight away from the earth the earth is still trying to pull him straight back albeit slowly
B.) When something passes by something with a strong pull (IE the moon even though it's 1/4th earth's gravity it still has some) it's course is altered by its gravitational field
http://egglescliffe.org.uk/physics/gravitation/slingshot/jupe.jpg
In short, with tweaking this to stupid comic physics, yes hulk can be KTFO and still come back to earth unless he's hit far enough.
Originally posted by ctsketch
it could be ridiculous comic book physics but here is how things work in the real worldA.) The reason the moon orbits the earth instead of flying off on it's own is because its being effected by Earth's gravitational pull. the reason it does not slam into earth is it's momentum in space's relative vacuum. so even if hulk flies by the moon , since he was flying straight away from the earth the earth is still trying to pull him straight back albeit slowly
B.) When something passes by something with a strong pull (IE the moon even though it's 1/4th earth's gravity it still has some) it's course is altered by its gravitational field
http://egglescliffe.org.uk/physics/gravitation/slingshot/jupe.jpg
In short, with tweaking this to stupid comic physics, yes hulk can be KTFO and still come back to earth unless he's hit far enough.
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Originally posted by The Sorrow
Don't let Marvel's current disrespect of Thor sway your loyalty to the Odinson! 😂Sentry was slashed/cut open etc several times in Siege that was due to his Void persona. He's been attacked by people more powerful than anyone involved in Siege arc as normal Sentry and still been fine afterwards.
Thor almost killed himself trying to get Nul off the planet so contrary to your opinion, either he did give everything or Thor is quite weak. Let's be honest, your claiming Hulk was KO'd to save face for Thor, Nul was still gripping his hammer and started screaming from re-entry a second after being hit into orbit. Add to this, Thor said "to be continued Banner", he knew he couldn't take Hulk out and admitted so after attempting to kill him. All the evidence points to Nul being conscious.
WWH's feats are better than Nul's there's no getting around this fact. He took more damage, beat more impressive people and did it while holding back, Nul was completely enraged and bloodlusted.That scan from the Avengers was after he fought Hulk in the arctic. Thor had lost his immortality but was given his powers back for the Hulk fight and was completely bloodlusted.
Hercules was hurt many times in Chaos War when he was a newb with his powers at the beginning. Giving "pause" to him really isn't that impressive considering it was a cheap shot and guys like Ares were hurting him. Thor was pretty much a bystander until God Herc weakened CK enough to bring him down to Earth. Not trying to discredit the feat because I thought Thor did well in Chaos War but he wasn't the only herald to effect Chaos King, IIRC Daiman and Surfer doing something similar. This falls under the same analogy I used in my previous post.
In direct confrontations Hulk has resisted his lightning several times and I haven't seen Thor convincingly one-shot anyone with lightning who is in the Hulk/Surfer/Sentry durability range.
The guys high up who feel they have the right to treat him like dirt can **** themselves. With the situation as it is, I'm needed more than ever. 😛
Being under the influence of the void doesn't weaken his durability. :/ In the main arc he was hurt by ares' adamantium axe and Thor's lighting. The more damage, the more of the void came out. Pretty straight forward on that part.
He had a cosmic gash in his stomach and had just gotten brutalized by his father and thrown into prison. Of course he was weak. It wasn't his best because he's displayed better. Whether he passed out or not is irrelevant in my opinion. It doesn't prove him being out.
There's nothing to save face for though. He beat an amped Hulk and Thing at the same time. While injured.
Do you know what lightning does to you? It causes your body to contract. And I think with the large bolt he hit him with it's more than understandable to believe thats what happened. Especially with Matt Fraction's writing style. More than once "..." or " " = Ko or seriously ****ed up. It happened with Galactus, Angrir, and Nul. But Nul is the exception too the rule because he's hulk right?
Dude....if Thor wants to take Hulk out he very well can. Just not by hammering him. When he gets hulk syndrome and fights on his level is the only time Hulk can win. And he always does so. Look what happened when he didn't. Hulk was ****ed up/flash Ko'd and in space.
Savage Hulk's in large part are superior to WWH's. Yet we all know WWH is >> savage. Why not with Nul? Because it makes WWH looks bad is the only reason and you know it. The only time Nul looked bad was at the hands of Bendis and despite what you think or desperately want to convince yourself to believe, adding more power to someone does not make them weaker. It's so ridiculous I can't believe you act like you'd honestly believe it.
He was still weaker. :/ It's like the difference between mortalk and immortal hercules. Thor was proven to be weaker and being bloodlusted doesn't change it. He still fought like an idiot down to hulk's level and one bolt of lightning from the god of thunder isn't enough to say he was going all out. He was going all out in a weaker physically body and that he did as well as he did is a better showing for him than it was for Hulk.
No he wasn't :/ He no sold skyfathers. Who shot him from multiple angles and he was in a frenzy. To even take notice of it when he powered through the skyfathers and kept fighting, but stopped when hit by Thor's lighting shows how strong it was. No attempts at downplay by your part will change that. :/
Because that was regular Ares right? Christ, that Ares took blasts from Galactus and kept going. He was more than likely in trans levels at that time.
Don't give me that. Being brought down to Earth wasn't a sign that he was weakened. Even if he was he was still an abstract so, so what? He was mopping the floor with Herc and Thor got him off Herc momentarily. Thor's lighting ripping through his chest was what did the damage. Not Hellstrom's fire at the feet of CK. Pretty obvious to me what was meant to hurt him. Surfer did nothing like that, if you know something I don't post a scan please.
Interesting logic. If Thor manages to hurt beings who dwarf the Hulk in power then that doesn't mean he can use those attacks to do the same to Hulk? He just KO'd the phoenix force. Does that mean he couldn't do the same to Hulk with the same strike?
He doesn't use this kind of power on peers. Doesn't mean he can't. he only way for Hulk to have a chance at Thor is for him to restrict himself heavily. Melee and a couple of bolts of lighting. You can't deny if he cuts loose he takes on and beats beings who are >> Hulk. No reason for him to not be able to take down Hulk when he can do it to his superiors. So if he hurts people who makes Hulk look like an insect with Lightning, that same lightning would devastate the Hulk. Seems like a fairly simple line of thinking to me.
Originally posted by carver9
It shows him passing the moon and then makes a u-turn back to Earth. It's obvious what happened. Yes by the way, that is the scan I am talking about. It's not inconsistent because it shows what happened as soon as Nul was bfred in space...the evidence is there, you are just ignoring it.
How do I ignore it when I just mentioned it? 😂 at least try and make sense. I already explained why it doesn't make sense. THAT would be you ignoring something. So he just sat there and chilled outside of Earth's gravity huh? Cool story bro.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big Cyet he was fllowing on Asgardian energy that says "F you logic I can talk in space if I want to. Like Thor has many times."
Nul wasnt knocked out. there was an empty speach bubble because you cannot talk in space. There is no oxygen.
Originally posted by Damborgson
The guys high up who feel they have the right to treat him like dirt can **** themselves. With the situation as it is, I'm needed more than ever. 😛Being under the influence of the void doesn't weaken his durability. :/ In the main arc he was hurt by ares' adamantium axe and Thor's lighting. The more damage, the more of the void came out. Pretty straight forward on that part.
He had a cosmic gash in his stomach and had just gotten brutalized by his father and thrown into prison. Of course he was weak. It wasn't his best because he's displayed better. Whether he passed out or not is irrelevant in my opinion. It doesn't prove him being out.
There's nothing to save face for though. He beat an amped Hulk and Thing at the same time. While injured.
Do you know what lightning does to you? It causes your body to contract. And I think with the large bolt he hit him with it's more than understandable to believe thats what happened. Especially with Matt Fraction's writing style. More than once "..." or " " = Ko or seriously ****ed up. It happened with Galactus, Angrir, and Nul. But Nul is the exception too the rule because he's hulk right?
Dude....if Thor wants to take Hulk out he very well can. Just not by hammering him. When he gets hulk syndrome and fights on his level is the only time Hulk can win. And he always does so. Look what happened when he didn't. Hulk was ****ed up/flash Ko'd and in space.
Savage Hulk's in large part are superior to WWH's. Yet we all know WWH is >> savage. Why not with Nul? Because it makes WWH looks bad is the only reason and you know it. The only time Nul looked bad was at the hands of Bendis and despite what you think or desperately want to convince yourself to believe, adding more power to someone does not make them weaker. It's so ridiculous I can't believe you act like you'd honestly believe it.
He was still weaker. :/ It's like the difference between mortalk and immortal hercules. Thor was proven to be weaker and being bloodlusted doesn't change it. He still fought like an idiot down to hulk's level and one bolt of lightning from the god of thunder isn't enough to say he was going all out. He was going all out in a weaker physically body and that he did as well as he did is a better showing for him than it was for Hulk.
No he wasn't :/ He no sold skyfathers. Who shot him from multiple angles and he was in a frenzy. To even take notice of it when he powered through the skyfathers and kept fighting, but stopped when hit by Thor's lighting shows how strong it was. No attempts at downplay by your part will change that. :/
Because that was regular Ares right? Christ, that Ares took blasts from Galactus and kept going. He was more than likely in trans levels at that time.
Don't give me that. Being brought down to Earth wasn't a sign that he was weakened. Even if he was he was still an abstract so, so what? He was mopping the floor with Herc and Thor got him off Herc momentarily. Thor's lighting ripping through his chest was what did the damage. Not Hellstrom's fire at the feet of CK. Pretty obvious to me what was meant to hurt him. Surfer did nothing like that, if you know something I don't post a scan please.
Interesting logic. If Thor manages to hurt beings who dwarf the Hulk in power then that doesn't mean he can use those attacks to do the same to Hulk? He just KO'd the phoenix force. Does that mean he couldn't do the same to Hulk with the same strike?
He doesn't use this kind of power on peers. Doesn't mean he can't. he only way for Hulk to have a chance at Thor is for him to restrict himself heavily. Melee and a couple of bolts of lighting. You can't deny if he cuts loose he takes on and beats beings who are >> Hulk. No reason for him to not be able to take down Hulk when he can do it to his superiors. So if he hurts people who makes Hulk look like an insect with Lightning, that same lightning would devastate the Hulk. Seems like a fairly simple line of thinking to me.
The magical gash was never an issue in Fear Itself and Thor had plenty of time to recover from the beating by his father, Classic Thor never tired out that quickly. Odin gave him a father-son hiding it wasn't as if he was trying to crack Thor skull. The empty speech bubble isn't proof Nul was KO'd, other characters like Angrir had the same thing while being awake.
I agree Savage Hulk's wacky high end feats surpass the current incarnation like destroying dimensions, time etc but against other characters, where it counts, he is clearly far inferior. People like Iron Man, Namor, Bi Beast etc aren't threats to Hulk anymore but could give Savage Hulk a good fight or in some cases win. At best Nul was on par with WWH, and that's still being quite generous imo. Don't forget WWH was Green Scar insane with rage over the death of his family and people.
Thor fights Hulk the same way he fights 95% of his other opponents, by trying to pound their face in the dirt. That's Thor's character. Using lightning, throwing Mjolnir and amped hammer shots are his main go-to powers, and nowadays that's usually as versatile as he gets.
No it's called no-limit fallacy, being able to affect powerful beings might sound good on his resume, but it's something every hero worth their salt has done. Surfer, Sentry, Superman, Hulk etc are no different. Skyfather level beings can be affected by high heralds but that's a million miles away from actually beating them. Ironically the only real elite level character I've seen Thor one-shot with lightning is himself.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
When else have you seen Sentry blown open with frequency he was in Siege? His durability has been shown as consistently higher than that, the helicarrier caused more damage than Thors lightning.The magical gash was never an issue in Fear Itself and Thor had plenty of time to recover from the beating by his father, Classic Thor never tired out that quickly. Odin gave him a father-son hiding it wasn't as if he was trying to crack Thor skull. The empty speech bubble isn't proof Nul was KO'd, other characters like Angrir had the same thing while being awake.
I agree Savage Hulk's wacky high end feats surpass the current incarnation like destroying dimensions, time etc but against other characters, where it counts, he is clearly far inferior. People like Iron Man, Namor, Bi Beast etc aren't threats to Hulk anymore but could give Savage Hulk a good fight or in some cases win. At best Nul was on par with WWH, and that's still being quite generous imo. Don't forget WWH was Green Scar insane with rage over the death of his family and people.
Thor fights Hulk the same way he fights 95% of his other opponents, by trying to pound their face in the dirt. That's Thor's character. Using lightning, throwing Mjolnir and amped hammer shots are his main go-to powers, and nowadays that's usually as versatile as he gets.
No it's called no-limit fallacy, being able to affect powerful beings might sound good on his resume, but it's something [B]every
hero worth their salt has done. Surfer, Sentry, Superman, Hulk etc are no different. Skyfather level beings can be affected by high heralds but that's a million miles away from actually beating them. Ironically the only real elite level character I've seen Thor one-shot with lightning is himself. [/B]
Lol...like the comment about the lightning one shotting himself. The rest I agree with.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
When else have you seen Sentry blown open with frequency he was in Siege? His durability has been shown as consistently higher than that, the helicarrier caused more damage than Thors lightning.The magical gash was never an issue in Fear Itself and Thor had plenty of time to recover from the beating by his father, Classic Thor never tired out that quickly. Odin gave him a father-son hiding it wasn't as if he was trying to crack Thor skull. The empty speech bubble isn't proof Nul was KO'd, other characters like Angrir had the same thing while being awake.
I agree Savage Hulk's wacky high end feats surpass the current incarnation like destroying dimensions, time etc but against other characters, where it counts, he is clearly far inferior. People like Iron Man, Namor, Bi Beast etc aren't threats to Hulk anymore but could give Savage Hulk a good fight or in some cases win. At best Nul was on par with WWH, and that's still being quite generous imo. Don't forget WWH was Green Scar insane with rage over the death of his family and people.
Thor fights Hulk the same way he fights 95% of his other opponents, by trying to pound their face in the dirt. That's Thor's character. Using lightning, throwing Mjolnir and amped hammer shots are his main go-to powers, and nowadays that's usually as versatile as he gets.
No it's called no-limit fallacy, being able to affect powerful beings might sound good on his resume, but it's something [B]every
hero worth their salt has done. Surfer, Sentry, Superman, Hulk etc are no different. Skyfather level beings can be affected by high heralds but that's a million miles away from actually beating them. Ironically the only real elite level character I've seen Thor one-shot with lightning is himself. [/B]
What does that have to do with anything? :/ this is a pathetic attempt to low ball Thor's attack. If Sentry isn't normally hurt then you should understand how strong the lightning was. The axe cut him because it was adamantium and being jabbed into his side by Ares. Hardly a low showing.
Then that lightning in particular. Thor turned him into a skeleton right after he healed back to full power.
oh yeah recover in that nice warm prison cell. Only to get slammed by him again when dropped to earth, fight the serpents army then get slammed again by the serpent.
This is a pretty sad argument also. :/ magic goop seeped out of his wounds. And he was in intense pain. Fraction had already established that. You don't need to constantly ***** about how your arm hurts if its just been cut off for people to know its affecting you in some way.
That would be why I said either KO'd or majorly ****ed up. In Nul's case it was a KO.
This is so ridiculous. WWH was the same incarnation that received the hammer. If not more powerful. the original WWH wasn't able to freely tap into the power of the world breaker. That WWH could. He was at the same levels since and could control his power. But no you see, thats not possible because it would make WWH look bad. Everyone else got an enormous power up except Hulk. That you can't see whats wrong with that is mind boggling.
Hulk hasn't actually. Compare the guys outside of Thor's weight class that he's harmed and then compare Hulk's. It's not in Hulk's favor.
95%? Thats such an over-exaggeration it actually made me laugh. He likes to scrap but when the going get tough, he uses his powers. Very effectively most of the time. If Thor doesn't want to go hand to hand or hand to hammer that is. Which is never the case with Hulk.
Yet you've seen the power he can produce. You're still despertately closing your eyes to what I'm saying. If he can affect or hurt or disintergrate beings that make the Hulk look like nothing, why would he be unable to do it to Hulk? So far the best I've heard is because he doesn't use abstract affecting lighting on his peers. Doesn't mean he can't.
Thor one shot killed the void by the way. And no Bob wanting to die doesn't somehow bring the void down to a much weaker level.
by the way,Your cheerleader is taking weight from your argument by agreeing with you 😛
