Superman in the New 52

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Hopefully Johns does it right.

what johns needs to be is smacked over the head with a wet phone book and never let near a major title again. superman dating wonder woman is like having the star quarterback dating the head cheerleader, so predictable and boring. instead of taking the characters and moving them forward for the next generation, he's moving them backwards because he a nostalgic azzclown

Care to elaborate?

Sure,

the concussion from the wet phone book will help him realize that he's a crappy creative manager and should quit. i would keep jim lee but only because his art is decent, he would be forbidden to ever creating new costumes again.

the new 52 was johns chance to update those characters and make them relevant to today's times. his writing is like an out of control fan boy. you can tell he didn't understand the characters or their motivations. conversations in his book generally went like this:

Flash: what's your problem?

Green Lantern: wanna fight? i'll take you right now!

oh and he turned darkseid into The Creature from the Black lagoon. just some back alley brawler who just shows up because.

...Was asking more about Superman and Diana, but disagreed either way.

Why are people piss about the Kal/Diana thing?

The way John set them up wasn't the best, but one of the reason there character fits was because no matter how much Kal or Diana tries, they realize they can't have any relation with mere humans.

When was the last time you read a Superman arc that Lois was not screaming for help.

Those two being together don't have to worry about said weakness. Hell for the first time in forever, Superman/Wonder Woman can actually Earth shattering sex. 👿

Anyway, i can't wait too see how there relationship start to effects the DCU.

Who knows, maybe Clark already has her pregnant already. 😆

Originally posted by SquallX
Why are people piss about the Kal/Diana thing?

The way John set them up wasn't the best, but one of the reason there character fits was because no matter how much Kal or Diana tries, they realize they can't have any relation with mere humans.

When was the last time you read a Superman arc that Lois was not screaming for help.

Those two being together don't have to worry about said weakness. Hell for the first time in forever, Superman/Wonder Woman can actually Earth shattering sex. 👿

Anyway, i can't wait too see how there relationship start to effects the DCU.

Who knows, maybe Clark already has her pregnant already. 😆


Lois didn't screamed for help? Pretty much never from last decade and not one time since new krypton began. So, its just super-sex that matters, right?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If anything, they'll probably be portrayed as peers physically with magic being the x-factor Billy has over Clark.

Which is pretty much in line for almost every Superman/Captain Marvel encounter ever. Nothing to get preemptively angry or annoyed with, though.


Pretty much every fight disagrees with you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lois didn't screamed for help? Pretty much never from last decade and not one time since new krypton began. So, its just super-sex that matters, right?

No, but it is a nice change of pace.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Pretty much every fight disagrees with you.

Not really, no.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not really, no.

The only time cap used lightning on superman is in Superman 216 and 9 shazam bolts after superman had a slight nose-bleed. In every other fight where superman isn't holding back he punks cap, the opposite isn't true.

Superman rarely punks Cap, if at all.

That said, I don't neccessarily see them as equals, tbh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman rarely punks Cap, if at all.

That said, I don't neccessarily see them as equals, tbh.


Ahem*Action comics annual 4, JSA 34*Ahem.

AC Annual #4: Superman was possessed by Eclipso, and Cap wasn't trying to harm him.
JSA #34: Superman was possessed by Ultra-Humanite /w/ Thunderbolt, and cheap-shotted Cap.

Anyway, Jake is right-- they are physical peers, with magic being the factor that [slightly] tips the scales in Cap's favor... During JLA #29, when Cap two-shotted Supes, he stated afterward that he was only able to KO Supes that easily because Supes is vulnerable to magic. Same coin, during Superman/Batman #4 (their most recent battle, iirc) Superman himself flat-out stated that Cap has the advantage in a one-on-one battle, because his powers are magic based.

Originally posted by Galan007
AC Annual #4: Superman was possessed by Eclipso, and Cap wasn't trying to harm him.
JSA #34: Superman was possessed by Ultra-Humanite /w/ Thunderbolt, and cheap-shotted Cap.

Anyway, Jake is right-- they are physical peers, with magic being the factor that [slightly] tips the scales in Cap's favor... During JLA #29, when Cap two-shotted Supes, he stated afterward that he was only able to KO Supes that easily because Supes is vulnerable to magic. Same coin, during Superman/Batman #4 (their most recent battle, iirc) Superman himself flat-out stated that Cap has the advantage in a one-on-one battle, because his powers are magic based.

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Also dig the sig and av. That's not metron, is it?

Besides the engineer, by the way.

Originally posted by Galan007
AC Annual #4: Superman was possessed by Eclipso, and Cap wasn't trying to harm him.
JSA #34: Superman was possessed by Ultra-Humanite /w/ Thunderbolt, and cheap-shotted Cap.

Anyway, Jake is right-- they are physical peers, with magic being the factor that [slightly] tips the scales in Cap's favor... During JLA #29, when Cap two-shotted Supes, he stated afterward that he was only able to KO Supes that easily because Supes is vulnerable to magic. Same coin, during Superman/Batman #4 (their most recent battle, iirc) Superman himself flat-out stated that Cap has the advantage in a one-on-one battle, because his powers are magic based.


Not in the start, but he was going all out once he saw how savage superman was, he himself said so.

He punched cap in the face using superspeed, that's not a cheapshot.

That was a cheapshot and cap brought Luck, Magic and suckershot as to how he koed superman.

Superman said "He has an advantage due to magic". Anyway superman was weakened due to kryptonite and still caught cap's punch and threw him away, batman's kick diverted him and he was koed by impact.

They are peers only when both are holding back. All out superman is flat out superior than all out cap. We can even go by relative examples, kalibak overpowered cap and Ace knocked him out. Both have been oneshotted or twoshotted by superman.

Originally posted by Blight
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Also dig the sig and av. That's not metron, is it?

My avatar=FC Metron. My sig=an Engineer from Prometheus.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They are peers only when both are holding back. All out superman is flat out superior than all out cap. We can even go by relative examples, kalibak overpowered cap and Ace knocked him out. Both have been oneshotted or twoshotted by superman.
I'll just post these:

...And leave it at that.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'll just post these:

...And leave it at that.

Why galan, its too much fun.

This is a cheapshot? I thought this was called a blitz!

What do any of those scans prove?