Cyclops vs Superman

Started by pym-ftw5 pages

Emma can't reform normally its a phoenix power

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Emma can't reform normally its a phoenix power
Which is what im trying to tell this guy.

Pretty sure I recall Namor was able reform/heal after being almost destroyed by Wanda, and didn't Cyclops create Jean Grey literally from dust? Manipulating molecules on some scale seems well within their power.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, they don't.

Why not?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Why not?

Probably the same reason heralds of Galactus don't, even though they all have the power cosmic.

Even higher GL feats don't apply for all GL's, only the GL's who prove they have the capacity for those feats.

Emma reformed while in diamond form. It's not necessarily an ability held by the others. I don't see cyclops turning to diamond.... Or manor getting steel skin like colossus... Just cause they are connected through the Phoenix force doesn't connect all their inherent abilities.

^but she's never done it before

Ok, so you think reforming is a part of her diamond powerset?

I thought it was understood that with the phoenix force one can reform. Isn't the phoenix force all about Life?

Originally posted by rotiart
Emma reformed while in diamond form. It's not necessarily an ability held by the others. I don't see cyclops turning to diamond.... Or manor getting steel skin like colossus... Just cause they are connected through the Phoenix force doesn't connect all their inherent abilities.
I don't believe Phoenix Emma reforming herself is just a result of having a natural diamond morphing power. There are two reasons:

1) Yes, if she's carefully constructed back together, she can be coaxed out of the diamond form and reanimate. But Emma can't reform on her own because she has no natural telekinesis. Furthermore, she accomplished this even though she isn't supposed to have any mental powers while in diamond form.

2) Emma also healed herself when she was skewered by Warbird's sword (which also detonated inside her) in human form. Here, it's obvious that reforming/healing herself instantly didn't have anything to do with her diamond morphing.

Based on that, Emma reforming must be a display of telekinesis at the atomic level. Which Scott also displayed when he manifested Jean Grey out of moon dust. And whomever healed an incinerated Hawkeye displayed it as well.

Each of the Phoenix Five has omega level telepathy, telekinesis and pyrokinesis. Which is in line with past Phoenix avatars. And apparently, the Phoenix Five's telekinesis is at such high level that they can heal all bodily wounds, even those that would surely be fatal.

Why would regen and healing only apply to Emma? She never displayed that ability w/o the phoenix force. They all have 1/5 of the PF. w/o the pf Colossus and Magik has displayed healing and regen...so now they can't? Emma is displaying a power she never had before,just like flying... no reason to think Scott can't do the same thing.

Originally posted by nwg202
Why would regen and healing only apply to Emma? She never displayed that ability w/o the phoenix force. They all have 1/5 of the PF. w/o the pf Colossus and Magik has displayed healing and regen...so now they can't? Emma is displaying a power she never had before,just like flying... no reason to think Scott can't do the same thing.
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Re-reading it, Scott's the one that actually healed charbroiled Hawkeye in Avengers/X-Men #7. He's floating in a meditative position lecturing Emma while the other four are standing/sitting around indifferently.

Also colossus telepathically spoke to some electricity beings iirc

^ I don't think anybody is arguing against the Phoenix Five having telepathy, flight or pyrokinesis for that matter. Obviously they all do just from their very first appearance. The only issue is whether they have healing abilities or atomic telekinesis/matter manipulation capable of simulating healing.

Anyway, Cyclops still dominates this match until the Phoenix Five start getting some low showings. They're individually beyond high heralds at this point by a fair margin.