Gladiator vs Kuurth

Originally posted by Newjak

And I didn't say Juggernaut was more durable than Odin/Galactus, but he is supposed to be super durable and it wouldn't be the first time someone on his level did something or took something they shouldn't be able to from a higher end power.

you said he was suppose to be the most durable there is, you said that thor can hurt skyfather and even abstracts but not juggernaut which means you believe juggernaut to be more durable than skyfathers and abstracts which is as stupid as it gets.

Originally posted by red sabre
what stuff? you were saying you think cain was suppose to be more durable than the highest heralds in comics universe so i told you it doesnt matter what you think its the facts.

but that means that spray guy or what ever the name basically bypassed his cyttorak enhancements and just did it to him and therefor he overpowered his so called durability.

and after that cyttorak took his powers once again and nobody said he did it under those same conditions, at first before cain fought the WWH those were the conditions however after he was punished for the second time cyttorak migh have change the rules, beside that was it ever stated that cain somehow tapped into the full juggernaut power? he was depowered until the merge with the seepent power so unless you show me some kind of proof that he suddenly tapped into the full juggernaut power somehow then its serpent power + half juggernaut power = kuurth.

i know celestial tech is a high power, but as we see the celestial tech hulk was wearing made him tap into more strength, the technology basically gave him more strength, if you believe he suddenly became magical please provide the evidence.

those are your speculations and it was never stated or presented, all we know is the things that happened and its that onslaught even before taking the gem away wrecked juggernaut physically and juggy was all scared like a pussy cat after the beting he recieved, your speculations further have no ground at all.

again you are trying to twist the things, both WWH and juggernaut clintch, you see juggernaut moving WWH slightly backwards which means he was trying to move forward but then stopped, WWH stopped him momentum and his powers.

Name me another High herald that has no sold Wolverine's claws or walked away from any form of a godblast.

How in the world does that equate to him bypassing the enchantment? He had taken Cain's power, Cain was depowered, then D'Spayre turned a depowered Cain into a skeleton which he survived of course.

It was shown in the Exaclibur comments by Cyttorak himself as to why Onslaught was drawn after him. He even mentioned Onslaught feared Cain's power. Also the gem had never before been in Cain's body so why would it it start with Onslaught hmm?

It wasn't just making Hulk stronger the celestial tech was also covering him in green energy. So a celestial green energy field was interrupting Cain's own powers. It's happened before.

I'm not twisting anything, it was specifically stated on panel that WWH could only divert Cain's momentum away from him and that he couldn't stop him.

Originally posted by red sabre
you said he was suppose to be the most durable there is, you said that thor can hurt skyfather and even abstracts but not juggernaut which means you believe juggernaut to be more durable than skyfathers and abstracts which is as stupid as it gets.

Either way I believe that Cain can survive drastic ordeals, like being thrown into Oblivion. I believe Cain can take a lot more than any other herald level being when he is being written to his top levels.

Originally posted by Newjak
It's not what I think it's what is shown.

Name me another High herald that has no sold Wolverine's claws or walked away from any form of a godblast.

How in the world does that equate to him bypassing the enchantment? He had taken Cain's power, Cain was depowered, then D'Spayre turned a depowered Cain into a skeleton which he survived of course.

It was shown in the Exaclibur comments by Cyttorak himself as to why Onslaught was drawn after him. He even mentioned Onslaught feared Cain's power. Also the gem had never before been in Cain's body so why would it it start with Onslaught hmm?

It wasn't just making Hulk stronger the celestial tech was also covering him in green energy. So a celestial green energy field was interrupting Cain's own powers. It's happened before.

I'm not twisting anything, it was specifically stated on panel that WWH could only divert Cain's momentum away from him and that he couldn't stop him.

how is it shown when juggernaut gets hurt and overpowered left and right? and i didnt even bring his so called PIS feats.

thor did not use his godblast on other heralds and plus it was a depowered godblast therefor its irrelevant.

as i stated wolverine did cut juggernaut i am looking for the scan, and even if we say he didnt that means has a nice durability vs cutting, physical strength magic and energy took him down before.

cyttorak is protecting cain from overall damage, the juggernaut power is protecting him as an overall force field, the fact alone this spray guy was able to do what he did already means he bypassed the juggernaut defence force and burned him to his skeleton.

what does it have to do with anything? did cyttorak state he took away juggernaut durability for onslaught? i know xavier was intended to be the original choise however wtf does it have to do with anything? based on that statement you came up with some story of your own which doesnt even make sense, it was a strange part of the story that whole cain losing the gem however it still doesnt change the simple fact that onslaught owned juggernaut with his full power and with his gem physically.

show me a proof that the celestial tech just took off cain powers, the way i see it he started to glow as he tapped into the full power of the celestial tech which made him stronger and he overpowered cain physically, this is what the comics shows us, if juggernaut enhancement was somehow canceled it would have been stated, your whole argument consisting of you making shit up with no proof at all just inventing a new storyline and using those lies to debate, thats just dumb.

the fight clearly shows us WWH stopping cain whats more need to be explained? cain is moving him backwards and then stopped again adn they basically stand spot on which already means he is stopped by WWH, dude at this point this is just pathetic all you do is twist events and trying to tell me the feats are not the same as we see them whish is just stupid.

Originally posted by Newjak
Actually you drew that conclusion together.

Either way I believe that Cain can survive drastic ordeals, like being thrown into Oblivion. I believe Cain can take a lot more than any other herald level being when he is being written to his top levels.

based on your words.

dude cain got defeated by hulk so many times.

gladiator can give him some trouble. He'd still be hitting him harder than anyone else did in FI imo. But he'd lose in the end.

damborgson if i pay you money will you make me a cool sig?

Originally posted by red sabre
damborgson if i pay you money will you make me a cool sig?

Nope.

But I'll give you think link so you can PM scythe about it since he's the one who made it for me. 😛

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=19877

He's a good guy, just send him the pics when he agrees, and then give him time since he's pretty busy.

thanks man i appreciate that 🙂

Gladiator is dead. He has no chance here.