Spiderman Vs The Creeper

Originally posted by SamZED
Pete's survived Phoenix Force mountain shattering explosion after a prolonged beating from two above-herald level characters, so lets not go high-end feats.
Spock has long razor sharp claws on each hand and sharp spider legs on his back, he can cut himself free, also he's so fast he most definitely won't have to.
Agreed about the healing factor.

He's also reconstructed himself after being devoured by Eclipsed hyenas.

So yeah, Creeper's high ends sh|t all over Spiderman's.

Originally posted by zopzop
Survived? Yes, but he was in no shape to fight. He was totally phucked. Creeper survived unscathed from that orbital crash.

He's also reconstructed himself after being devoured by Eclipsed hyenas.

So yeah, Creeper's high ends sh|t all over Spiderman's.

Correct me if I'm wrong but afaik Creeper won't be able to fight if he's decapitated, not right away that is, which would count as a forum win. He's not going to shrug off Spock's punches either.

I'll agree with that when I see Creeper beat the livving sh!t out of heralds with his bare hands. Or take down A-list teams all by himself. That's more impressive than taking on three-four or even twenty class 70 C-listers in my book. Speed I'm not even going to go there.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Different forms, I thought? One was through a virus, the otheris like Deadman?

Originally posted by SamZED
Not too familiar with DCnU tbh.
For the record, Pete has feats of taking a barrage of machine gun fire to the chest and keeping on fighting.

Wait, is it Pete or SpOck that's fighting? Some of their feats shouldn't be allowed to cross, IMHO.

Physically, yes, they're the same, but mentally - SpOck is content to run away from a fight he thinks he cannot win, and return later when he's tooled up and ready. Pete will stay until the bitter end, which then gives rise to some of his higher end feats.

If you're using Pete, then obviously claws and some of his gadgets are out.

If you're using SpOck, then I will call into question the use of some of Pete's feats. Taking machine gun fire and fighting on, for example, wouldn't be SpOck's MO.

As for the original question you asked, about DCnU Creeper, he's now a demon who was originally trapped within Katana's sword, which Killer Croc broke. Now that he's free, he goes around creating tornadoes and possessing people (IIRC; let me check).

Ok, so Creeper prefers to ride bodies that are weak and powerful. Jack is chosen because he reeks of cowardice and egomania. SpOck DEFINITELY matches the egomania criteria, and possibly the cowardice one too:

And before you ask, no, he doesn't need to be dead to be possessed. Earlier in the story, he took a little kid.

As for what he can do, massive tornadoes:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, is it Pete or SpOck that's fighting? Some of their feats shouldn't be allowed to cross, IMHO.

Physically, yes, they're the same, but mentally - SpOck is content to run away from a fight he thinks he cannot win, and return later when he's tooled up and ready. Pete will stay until the bitter end, which then gives rise to some of his higher end feats.

If you're using Pete, then obviously claws and some of his gadgets are out.

If you're using SpOck, then I will call into question the use of some of Pete's feats. Taking machine gun fire and fighting on, for example, wouldn't be SpOck's MO.

As for the original question you asked, about DCnU Creeper, he's now a demon who was originally trapped within Katana's sword, which Killer Croc broke. Now that he's free, he goes around creating tornadoes and possessing people (IIRC; let me check).

On unrelated note, I really wish they didn't make Creeper a ghost-demon.

Same, and I don't like the new interpretation of chaos now. He's just turned into a douche.

Toss up whether the suit protects him, but based on its mystical nature (I'll post the scan later of what was needed to stop his possession) as opposed to Carrion's tech based nature, I'm inclined to say he could. Of course, there's also how nothing's been shown to hurt DCnU Creeper apart from mystical means (Soultaker sword, for example).

Originally posted by SamZED
And while there's no on-pannel proof there's a good chance his costume would protect him from getting possessed. Carrion's only trick is possessing people (even the likes of Hyperion) and Spock fought him for hours following him everywhere and Carrion took turns possessing every hero of NY except for Spock himself.

IIRC, SpOck prepped for him, and had a special gun, right? Which wouldn't be standard equipment, anyway.

Whereas, Creeper's possession can be stopped in the following scan:

So you would need someone A: to know that Creeper is now an oni, B: know the correct rituals and C: enact them correctly and in time, which would constitute prep.

merge please

We all seem to be in agreement? Although based on the other thread, I wonder what the creeper movie is about..

But didn't Spock fight against Spider Slayers attempted takeover or something like that

Using the mind transfer tech....which is again, technological in nature. SpOck defeated it by putting armour plating in his head...which I doubt would stop demonic possession.

But it's still a defense

One that's debatable would work in the first place, and given the differing natures of magic and tech in both Marvel and DC (for example, Reed acknowledging Doom as his superior, or Batman acknowledging his weakness in that subject) I think I have a strong case in saying it won't work.

The recent argument I can think of is Pym using tech to trap Loki, but that involved prep on his part. SpOck is no Pym.

Another way of thinking about it is, would the Japanese ritual of bean throwing have stopped Carrion?

Dunno but with that tech he's able to attack on the astral plane as we saw when he ousted Pete so I guess it has that

He was also able to use it on a being of pure energy/electricity to oust her from the city which she had taken over (NY)

Still completely different from demonic possession, though. Plus, its only one of his options. Still unsure of what would actually harm Creeper...Spock could web him up, he'd just break free. Or even if he doesn't, he could just jump bodies.

Its essentially Creeper's fight to lose.

Eh until we get more feats for the machine I guess you're right but it pants a solid victory 5-6/10

Besides, is the machine standard gear? Iirc he prepped for Smythe, and had to go back to his lab to deal with the girl....

I didn't know he prepped the machine for Smythe I know about the rest of the stiff but I'm not sure about that

Originally posted by Alias Stone
merge please

Hah I forgot about this