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I'm not talking about acceleration or anything like that.

Just perception and thought speed.

Superman can't slow himself down to simply being human speeds and then save people from bullets in the same scene. That just can't work.

Obviously, he can make his super perception speed take over and make everything a statue, but he also needs to reign that in so everyday life isn't maddeningly boring.

But he also can't turn his super perception speed off completely because its subconscious, and if he ever did, well, people would get shot while he's just a few feet in away 'human speed mind' mode all the time. But when does that ever happen?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Which is another way of saying his speed of thought is always even subconsciously fast. Just as I said.

Because he can't think at humans speeds to go "super speed on", while a bullet is fired at someone from ten feet away. Because by the time that thought is even complete, the person has already been shot and its too late.

There's literally no way else for this to work than what I said, and that's what the feats show. human speed of thought can literally be measured in the double digit miles per hour. that's slow.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok I think I get you now.

Cosmic is arguing his speed is always superfast.

You're arguing that its not, but in fact, its the fact he has superfast acceleration and he can easily hit top speeds.

I get ya. One argument is that he's always pootling along at 60mph, you're saying he's actually at 10mph, but can accelerate to 60mph so quickly it may as well be instantaneous.

No.

He can't 'accelerate' his speed of thought quickly and somehow still 'not' be in super speed thought.

That's a contradiction.

Again, you're argument is basically admitting that he never acts at human perception speeds because his mind is always fast enough.

If it wasn't fast enough, then obviously, people would be getting shot on his watch all the time while he's simply in 'clark kent' mode.

It's simple. He can simply view the world at both speeds at default--kinda like a Worldmind controlled Centurion--but is able to make his superspeed vision take precendence when he has to, again, just like the latter.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
No.

He can't 'accelerate' his speed of thought quickly and somehow still 'not' be in super speed thought.

That's a contradiction.

Again, you're argument is basically admitting that he never acts at human perception speeds because his mind is always fast enough.

If it wasn't fast enough, then obviously, people would be getting shot on his watch all the time while he's simply in 'clark kent' mode.

It's simple. He can simply view the world at both speeds at default--kinda like a Worldmind controlled Centurion--but is able to make his superspeed vision take precendence when he has to, again, just like the latter.

Actually it has happened in the past where he was in "clark kent" mode and wasn't fast enough to prevent people from getting shot because he was in normal speed mode. Your arguing that he always remains in speed mode makes no sense either in comics or in real world.

So we all agree Clark is fast, yes?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Actually it has happened in the past where he was in "clark kent" mode and wasn't fast enough to prevent people from getting shot because he was in normal speed mode.

Full scans in context. Right now.

Because that's not how it worked whenever Mark Waid wrote him in recent times.

And he also wrote the new Nova Prime the say way recently.

Your arguing that he always remains in speed mode makes no sense either in comics or in real world.

You certainly can't be serious here.

No, in fact, what I'm arguing is exactly based on how it would have to work in the real world. And I can link to Mark Waid's explanation on the matter to help you understand how simple this contradiction you're displaying is.

Human speed of thought is slow. Again. By the time it would take someone to think 'turn super speed reflexes on' in a situation where a gun is fired, by the time 'super speed mode' is turned on, it's already too phucking late.

Human speed of thought is a lot slower than a bullet. Thousands of times too slow.

For Superman to be able to bullet time in situations where he's still interacting with humans just moments before means nothing other than what I've been saying this hole time; subconsciously, he's ALWAYS super fast. Otherwise he would never have the time to help anyone. He can simply turn his predominance of super speed up when its called for it, but he can't ever turn it 'off'. There is no recourse but to reason that through psionics he is able to view the world through two speeds at once, maybe one side of the brain/ eye is super fast and the other is human speed--(like again, Mark Waid explained with Nova)

To say he can someohow 'think superfast' to bullet time is nothing but a contradiction, because, well, you have to be in 'super fast mode' period to think 'super fast' period.

The conversation thus far;

'he doesn't always think at super speeds'

ok, then how does he bullet time when he's interacting like a normal human among groups?

'he thinks at super speed'

Contradiction. Unless, you concede to what I said, in that he does both at the same time, but the superspeed one is always at least subconsciously on.

Magneto

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Full scans in context. Right now.

Because that's not how it worked whenever Mark Waid wrote him in recent times.

And he also wrote the new Nova Prime the say way recently.

You certainly can't be serious here.

No, in fact, what I'm arguing is exactly based on how it would have to work in the real world. And I can link to Mark Waid's explanation on the matter to help you understand how simple this contradiction you're displaying is.

Human speed of thought is slow. Again. By the time it would take someone to think 'turn super speed reflexes on' in a situation where a gun is fired, by the time 'super speed mode' is turned on, it's already too phucking late.

Human speed of thought is a lot slower than a bullet. Thousands of times too slow.

For Superman to be able to bullet time in situations where he's still interacting with humans just moments before means nothing other than what I've been saying this hole time; subconsciously, he's ALWAYS super fast. Otherwise he would never have the time to help anyone. He can simply turn his predominance of super speed up when its called for it, but he can't ever turn it 'off'. There is no recourse but to reason that through psionics he is able to view the world through two speeds at once, maybe one side of the brain/ eye is super fast and the other is human speed--(like again, Mark Waid explained with Nova)

To say he can someohow 'think superfast' to bullet time is nothing but a contradiction, because, well, you have to be in 'super fast mode' period to think 'super fast' period.

The conversation thus far;

'he doesn't always think at super speeds'

ok, then how does he bullet time when he's interacting like a normal human among groups?

'he thinks at super speed'

Contradiction. Unless, you concede to what I said, in that he does both at the same time, but the superspeed one is always at least subconsciously on.

Might as well get back on topic and say, the answer to this thread,

is Superman.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Might as well get back on topic and say, the answer to this thread,

is Superman.

Abhi could have easily posted the scan of him and Flash at the table and Superman speed his perception up again to keep up with Flash.

Originally posted by carver9
Abhi could have easily posted the scan of him and Flash at the table and Superman speed his perception up again to keep up with Flash.

Superman speeding up his perceptions =/= Superman speeding up his perceptions from standard human level.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Might as well get back on topic and say, the answer to this thread,

is Superman.

In the strictest sense of the word intelligent, Superman, Silver Surfer, Flash (the smartest one whichever you guys think it is).

How about Michael Korvac

No typical order

Superman
Mr Majestic
Lobo
Adam Warlock IG saga
Franklin Richards Adult

Originally posted by carver9
Abhi could have easily posted the scan of him and Flash at the table and Superman speed his perception up again to keep up with Flash.

Carver not even reading.

Can't even smh at this, because you always let me down.

sneer

superman and majestic

Hulk.