Best herald energy projection feat

Started by abhilegend10 pages
abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by psycho gundam
superman is at best 1/5 of that feat (but he can very well be less than 25% of the first 4 people powering the guy up, and those 4 could be far less than spectre provided), something mjolnir did when it absorbed and released a blast that could have destroyed 1/5 of the universe

He was shown as the peer to all of them and unless its specified, they provided equal power. Spectre only pumped more power to create an uncontrolled big bang as opposite to the controlled big bang that waverider wanted. Thor never released that energy he absorbed in mjolnir and big bang=\=universal destruction. Etrigan and orion have provided enough energy to collapse a reality too.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by country1000
LMAO. This post deserves a gold medal. This contest is between thor and surfer. Superman has no chance in hell of ever coming close to matching thor or surfer in energy output.

Match the feats, then.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

how is it equal unless specified not to be? what are the odds of all 4 having the same power output? did they chat about this?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by psycho gundam
how is it equal unless specified not to be? what are the odds of all 4 having the same power output? did they chat about this?

How is it not equal? I don't have to prove something that was clearly shown on-panel as all four of them contributing equally. This is how its shown when someone in a group setting is contributing less than others

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Willpower/ActionComics589a.jpg

You don't get to assign random percentages in a group setting.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

you're trying to attribute 1/4 of that happening to superman, regardless of the ambiguity of the power levels involved. it's not so much throwing in random numbers but rather acknowledging that there are established differences between those characters, shit, you should be throwing your panties at captain atom given his other power displays, right? 😛

let's just forget spectre was there, too

Originally posted by abhilegend
. This is how its shown when someone in a group setting is contributing less than others

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Willpower/ActionComics589a.jpg
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that's just a straw breaking the camel's back, just with willpower

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you're trying to attribute 1/4 of that happening to superman, regardless of the ambiguity of the power levels involved. it's not so much throwing in random numbers but rather acknowledging that there are established differences between those characters, shit, you should be throwing your panties at captain atom given his other power displays, right? 😛

let's just forget spectre was there, too
that's just a straw breaking the camel's back, just with willpower


So, basically nothing but speculation that he was somehow less involved. Waverider was confident that it would be suffice to start the big bang and parallax was too. Spectre just pumped more energy and made it an uncontrollable big bang rather than the controlled big bang waverider wanted. Yeah, superman is established as more powerful than captain atom outside quantum field. Heck cap himself admitted that in his series.

Q99 Senior Member

Superman is more 'powerful' in a fight, but Atom's much more energy focused and has an endless source.

Originally posted by Cogito
The Zero Hour Superman example is kind of stupid, IMO, unless you also want to paint Darkstar Donna Troy and the Ray in the same light.

I always saw that as mostly the work of the Spectre and Damage (Damage merely magnifying the power, not generating it).

Yea, of the energy people, I saw it as Damage, Ray, and Captain Atom providing the most.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Q99
Superman is more 'powerful' in a fight, but Atom's much more energy focused and has an endless source.

Yea, of the energy people, I saw it as Damage, Ray, and Captain Atom providing the most.


Damage did nothing and the rest is just speculation. Cap doesn't have an unlimited power source outside quantum field and has been overloaded many times before.

Nibedicus Gaming addict

Can someone explain the scan to me? Just looks like Damage was overloaded and exploded. Don't really see how this proves his power levels as it looks like it was the chain reaction to the overload that triggered the big bang and not superman. Just looks like a lot of straw grasping to me, IMO....

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Can someone explain the scan to me? Just looks like Damage was overloaded and exploded. Don't really see how this proves his power levels as it looks like it was the chain reaction to the overload that triggered the big bang and not superman. Just looks like a lot of straw grasping to me, IMO....

Superman, captain atom, The ray and Darkstar combined their energies through waverider to create a new big bang which could be controlled by waverider to eliminate parallax before he did any damage to reality. But waverider lost his physical form after channeling such amount of energy and then spectre pum[ped more energy and made the big bang uncontrolled.

Newjak I am Beyond Power

Going with Thor

eaebiakuya Senior Member

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I can give you issue numbers.

The "Thousand Sun amped Mjolnir throw" comes from Thor volume #1, issue #351. The attack was deflected by Surtur with Twilight, however.

The Anti-Force capable of destroying the planet comes from Thor volume #2, issue #22 (or #524 classic numbering if you prefer).

The 1/4 of the energy poured forth to effect countless realities and dimensions happened in issue #4 of the Thor Corps mini.

Ty !!!

Nibedicus Gaming addict
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman, captain atom, The ray and Darkstar combined their energies through waverider to create a new big bang which could be controlled by waverider to eliminate parallax before he did any damage to reality. But waverider lost his physical form after channeling such amount of energy and then spectre pum[ped more energy and made the big bang uncontrolled.

Like I said, seems like the feat is being made out to be more than it is, IMO. Too many variables in the equation to make this as a definitive and measurable kind of "feat".

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Like I said, seems like the feat is being made out to be more than it is, IMO. Too many variables in the equation to make this as a definitive and measurable kind of "feat".

Why is that? What's so difficult to understand about it and what are those so many variables?

Nibedicus Gaming addict
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why is that? What's so difficult to understand about it and what are those so many variables?

Multiple beings of variable energy proj power levels combining their energy proj attacks within an unspecified time to create a chain reaction within another being (who is storing said energy proj attacks) to create an event w/c is unto itself another kind of chain reaction (w/c by the looks of it is resultant more of a whole creating far more than the individual parts scenario) w/c is then forcibly enhanced by another being, creating said result.

If there ever was anything that could be chalked up as ambiguous, plot device ridden or unquantifiable, this would be it, IMO.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Multiple beings of variable energy proj power levels combining their energy proj attacks within an unspecified time to create a chain reaction within another being (who is storing said energy proj attacks) to create an event w/c is unto itself another kind of chain reaction (w/c by the looks of it is resultant more of a whole creating far more than the individual parts scenario) w/c is then forcibly enhanced by another being, creating said result.

If there ever was anything that could be chalked up as ambiguous, plot device ridden or unquantifiable, this would be it, IMO.


It wasn't a chain reaction. AT ALL. Waverider funneled the combined energis of superman captain atom, darkstar and the ray into damage intended to create a big bang and parallax confirmed it that it would indeed be able to re-create creation. Seems like untill you force the images in the thread, no one is going to read them properly

Spectre just made it an uncontrolled blast by pumping more energy into damage.

Where did you find any notion that it was due to a chain reaction when there is no indication or even mention of it and damage doesn't have the power to magnify energy anyway. You are nitpicking too much where there is no reason to do so. Sorry for the page break, guys.

Cogito Senior Member

There is no way to quantify Superman's involvement in that feat. There are too many variables. Superman, Donna, Atom, Ray, Waverider, Damage, the Spectre.

And Damage did amplify the blast, or else he wouldn't have been needed.

Nibedicus Gaming addict

The art and writing made it look like a chain reaction to me (tho I'm not sure chain reaction is the best term to use, a reaction w/c created a result w/c is far more than its individual parts would be the best way to describe it, I guess - heck, the Big Bang itself is a chain reaction) as the character seems to have just needed energy, combined with his unique abilities/physiology, to perform a specific task w/c he normally would be unable to perform. I guess we both see it differently, but that's definitely what i'm getting from the writing.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Cogito
There is no way to quantify Superman's involvement in that feat. There are too many variables. Superman, Donna, Atom, Ray, Waverider, Damage, the Spectre.

And Damage did amplify the blast, or else he wouldn't have been needed.


Damage was needed because of his ability to store energy and convert it into a controlled blast which neither of other people involved could do. It was specifically stated by waverider that "when you reach the proper power levels" by the funneled energy release the blast in a controlled manner. Anyway even if superman just contributed a fraction of power even 10 % which is highly unlikely given that he was treated as equal among the energy projectors, its better than almost any other herald being's energy projection feat.

Ambient MAJIN_OVERLORD

I like the way ABHILEGEND methodsss..

This way Surfer beats that Superman feat by a mile..

http://imageshack.us/f/818/ssv312111b.jpg/

Here's another one from the same arc.

http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/Surfer/?action=view&current=SS_v3_121_14a.jpg&mediafilter=noflash

🙄 😗 😖hifty:

Originally posted by abhilegend
Damage was needed because of his ability to store energy and convert it into a controlled blast which neither of other people involved could do. It was specifically stated by waverider that "when you reach the proper power levels" by the funneled energy release the blast in a controlled manner. Anyway even if superman just contributed a fraction of power even 10 % which is highly unlikely given that he was treated as equal among the energy projectors, its better than almost any other herald being's energy projection feat.

Ahem! Ray, GL, Capt. Atom etc..