Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or maybe because he really hated spunk....I mean, havign a determined look on your face doesn't mean you're straining.I can have a determined, angry look on my face as I beat my red headed step child, doesn't mean its difficult for me to do.
There's a huge difference between not difficult and casual. In all honesty Zeus used at least half of his physical might on Hulk. Otherwise he could have casually smacked or pinkied him (. 😱 )
Originally posted by h1a8Like Cains instoppable power went through War Hulk eh.
Thor's hammer isn't unstoppable and neither is Thor. Both Kuurth and his hammer is unstoppable. He or his hammer would go right through Zeus and push his shit in.The only way Zeus can beat Kuurth is to remove his enchantment.
Again tell me who Kuurth beat that was close to Zeus in power.
Youre arguement is dogshit.
Originally posted by h1a8
There's a huge difference between not difficult and casual. In all honesty Zeus used at least half of his physical might on Hulk. Otherwise he could have casually smacked or pinkied him (. 😱 )
If I were you, I'd make a new screen name up and start a whole different account, because you will never live down some the stuff you said here.
Originally posted by h1a8Zeus was amping his physical stats, who knows how much power he can pour into his physical might. A guy invoking zeus was also physically pushing hulks shit in two issues later.
There's a huge difference between not difficult and casual. In all honesty Zeus used at least half of his physical might on Hulk. Otherwise he could have casually smacked or pinkied him (. 😱 )
Originally posted by juggerman
wait a second so you are basically saying that we should say kuurth canProve that it was weaker. And Thor himself compared the blast to the ones he fired before. He didn't say "hey it's the same kind of attack but much weaker." Nice try tho
When in those instances did it show Cyttorak so pleased with Cain? During WWH Cyttorak told Cain that the reason he didn't get back to full power was because he was being a hero and not causing the destruction that he wanted him to. And when we see Cyttorak in Fear Itself he is very pleased with Cain actions.
So you are free to assume that Thor's godblast was weaker even tho ALL evidence including Thor's own words say otherwise but condemn others for making a much more realistic point. Hogwash!
Ok so you concede that Kuurth's helmet>Kuurth's body yet you still bring up his helmet cracking as "evidence" that someone can physically hurt him? WOW. The silliness continues.
And you are right you can only IMAGINE since your entire argument seems to stem from your imagination. Fact is Kuurth can't be harmed by just Zeus' fists.
Nope. Zeus can do more than crack it. He can shatter it. Completely and utterly destroy it and the rest of his armor. But that wouldn't affect Kuurth.
Well that wasn't very nice 🙁
Agreed
Disagree
He can do more than just crack his helmet but he can't beat up Kuurthy boy. Sorry buddy.
And my crack addiction has nothing to do with this so stop bringing it up!
how can kuurth hurt a skyfather is he doesnt have the power output feats to suggest he can? what feats does he have to suggest he can hurt someone on zeus level? thats right no feats.
because thor was hurt before that and even if he felt better it still doesnt mean he was 100% ok therefor his energy and life force was weaker than normally and wasnt as powerful as the one he used vs galactus, also when using his godblast vs galactus he knew who galactus is he knew what kind of threat galactus is and therefor he gave everything he had he took it very seriously, but juggernaut is a different story, he didnt treat juggernaut like a very big threat, also add the fact he was hurt and wasnt 100% and what you get is galactus godblast >>> juggernaut godblast.
its irrelevant because i actually claim juggernaut at full power is more durable than kuurth prove me wrong.
was it stated that cyttorak gave cain his full powers back? as i said before it doesnt matter if juggernaut is fighting for some side or not, cyttorak wants destruction, it doesnt matter what side is juggernaut on as long as he deliveres destruction, for destruction there is no good or evel there is chaos, juggernaut even while depowered delivered destruction doesnt matter on what side and cyttorak didnt give him his powers back, as i said already unless it was stated juggernaut got his classic full powers back you cannot just say he did because you think so.
i see that you just cant comprehend what i am telling you so i just have to repeat myself over and over for you, grasp this.. even his helmet and armor is still powered by cyttorak otherwise any explosion or any damage would cause his armor to just rip off right? his armor and helmet survived along with juggernaut himself the same punishements over and over again, i do believe his body is more durable than the armor himself based on showings in the past where his helmet gave up eventually, however it is still empowered by the cyttorak enhancements, and if someone like colossus with a punch was able to crack an enhanced powered helmet to a degree there is no question that an elite skyfather will easily overcome it, lets also not forget that its only half classic juggernaut + serpent .
really? and you are basing anything on facts? show me facts that zeus cannot hurt kuurth, show me facts that prove kuurth can hurt zeus? you cant? then stop with the trolling and stick to the subject.
no, zeus can not only shatter his helmet he can shatter his face and rape him because depowered juggernaut force combined with the serpent is nothing to an elite skyfather unless you are a juggernaut fanboy ( woops which you are indeed) and then you would believe such bullshit as any incarnation of juggernaut being too durable for an elite skyfather, while wont you go put on a helmet and bump into a wall or something.
based on what? what are the feats which you are using to base your statement that zeus an elite skyfather cannot hurt kuurth? based on what??
how can kuurth hurt a skyfather is he doesnt have the power output feats to suggest he can? what feats does he have to suggest he can hurt someone on zeus level? thats right no feats.
Well as far as feats go Kuurth has a few that you tend to forget. He was able to crack Juggernaut's skull and F*** him up with his lightnng. That's something Thor couldn't even do with his Godblast. BTW there is no reason to think Colossonaut was "depowered" here
because thor was hurt before that and even if he felt better it still doesnt mean he was 100% ok therefor his energy and life force was weaker than normally and wasnt as powerful as the one he used vs galactus, also when using his godblast vs galactus he knew who galactus is he knew what kind of threat galactus is and therefor he gave everything he had he took it very seriously, but juggernaut is a different story, he didnt treat juggernaut like a very big threat, also add the fact he was hurt and wasnt 100% and what you get is galactus godblast >>> juggernaut godblast.
Now you are just assuming that Thor wouldn't have gone all out when nothing on panel shows that. Let's just forget about your "Thor was beaten up" argument for a min and focus on your "Thor was holding back" one. Where did it once show Thor afraid to go full force on Jugger? When did he pull punches? There is absolutly nothing indicating he held back regardless of whether he felt Juggernaut to be a threat or not.
And just to kill that argument even farther Juggernaut had to be a very serious threat to Thor for him to even consider the Godblast. Thor doesn't pull out that attack for just anybody. Hell he just got his ass whipped by Pheonix Namor and Emma. No godblast. Are they not threats either? They must be even smaller threats than Juggernaut seeing as how he didn't even try it.
/silly argument
its irrelevant because i actually claim juggernaut at full power is more durable than kuurth prove me wrong.
Well Juggernaut vs Kuurth kinda proves you wrong now doesn't it? Kuurth was breaking his bones and sh!t and Colossonaut wasn't really affecting Kuurth that much. Hell he even admitted Kuurth was superior in every way except one. Did you even read these stories cuz the on panel dialog and events keep proving you wrong
was it stated that cyttorak gave cain his full powers back? as i said before it doesnt matter if juggernaut is fighting for some side or not, cyttorak wants destruction, it doesnt matter what side is juggernaut on as long as he deliveres destruction, for destruction there is no good or evel there is chaos, juggernaut even while depowered delivered destruction doesnt matter on what side and cyttorak didnt give him his powers back, as i said already unless it was stated juggernaut got his classic full powers back you cannot just say he did because you think so.
I never said it was cuz Juggernaut was a bad or good guy. It was cuz he wasn't causing the destruction that Cyttorak wanted him to because he wanted to do good.
Now again for the cheap seats: Cyttorak wanted Cain to cause a buttload of destruction. The more destruction Cain causes the happier he makes Cyttorak. The happier Cyttorak is the more power he grants Cain.
Cain caused a lot of destruction. But the icing on the cake is it showed Cyttorak very very pleased. Something has already been established in the comics so there isn't a need to beat the reader over the head with it. It's also been established that Thor can lift his hammer cuz he is worthy of it. Would you also question Hulk not being able to lift it in a later comic cuz "it wasn't stated then and there" like you are arguing now? Or maybe you'll say Hulk is weaker due to it. Come on buddy boy
i see that you just cant comprehend what i am telling you so i just have to repeat myself over and over for you, grasp this.. even his helmet and armor is still powered by cyttorak otherwise any explosion or any damage would cause his armor to just rip off right? his armor and helmet survived along with juggernaut himself the same punishements over and over again, i do believe his body is more durable than the armor himself based on showings in the past where his helmet gave up eventually, however it is still empowered by the cyttorak enhancements, and if someone like colossus with a punch was able to crack an enhanced powered helmet to a degree there is no question that an elite skyfather will easily overcome it, lets also not forget that its only half classic juggernaut + serpent .
Yes i due find it hard to grasp your nonsense. Simply put Kuurth is more durable than his armor. you believe that since Colossus cracked the helmet someone stronger could harm Kuurth's body. Ok well this ABC logic doesn't really work here. Colossus cracked his helmet yet a VASTLY stronger Colossonaut slugged Kuurth in the face and not so much as a tiny scratch appeared. Now i foresee a "well Colossonaut isn't Zeus" argument coming next but i really just put your silly point to bed
really? and you are basing anything on facts? show me facts that zeus cannot hurt kuurth, show me facts that prove kuurth can hurt zeus? you cant? then stop with the trolling and stick to the subject.
Show me anything you are trying to spew. Show Zeus amping his strength to a degree that can harm Kuurth. So far all you have given me is "well he's a skyfather so he SHOULD be able to...." Sorry bro but that is not evidence
no, zeus can not only shatter his helmet he can shatter his face and rape him because depowered juggernaut force combined with the serpent is nothing to an elite skyfather unless you are a juggernaut fanboy ( woops which you are indeed) and then you would believe such bullshit as any incarnation of juggernaut being too durable for an elite skyfather, while wont you go put on a helmet and bump into a wall or something.
Again with the attacks? Don't get mad cuz you are wrong just think things thru next time
ased on what? what are the feats which you are using to base your statement that zeus an elite skyfather cannot hurt kuurth? based on what??
I've given you my reasons so you can take them or choose to ignore them. We clearly don't agree so we can leave it alone.
BTW i like your new SMP pic
[QUOTE=13947308]Originally posted by juggerman
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colossusnaut does not equel juggernaut, as we saw ever since colossusnaut was introduced he can be hurt and this is obviously a new approach to the juggernaut powers, colossusnaut was hurt physically by rulk as well , it is clear that colossusnaut does not share the same durability as juggernaut, or would you buy that both kuurth and rulk could easily hurt the classic juggernaut as well? look how thing dealt with colossusnaut as well he was humiliating him at first, it is very clear that colossusnaut is a poor and weak version of the juggernaut powers, also lets not forget that the kuurth that broke his bones was just cain + serpent because he was totally stripped off the cyttorak powers, so you really want to believe cain marko only on the serpent powers could break classic juggernaut bones? give me a break.
so basically you have no feats of kuurth to even suggest he can hurt an elite skyfather... so how did you come to the conclusion he can win this again?
does it show thor going all out as well? he didnt treat juggernaut like he was the threat of the world like he did with galactus, he knows juggernaut and he almost kicked his ass once no reason for thor to go all out on someone like that, anyway i was just suggesting that thor wasnt treating juggernaut with same seriousness as he did with galactus dont try to turn it like i was saying he was holding back or anything, he just wasnt giving his butt into this, and of course i will state again he wasnt 100% himself after he was injured even with the fact he felt better it still doesnt mean anything.
thor didnt use the godblast vs thanos either, nor did he use it against void sentry, nor did he use it against the serpent, nor did he use it against galactus any other time when he was actually more powerful, so whats your point? that all those guys are a less threat than juggernaut? its just that the writer decided it would be cool to release a godblast on juggernaut thats all, however in order to not make it redicilous he made the godblast weaker by presenting an injured and weak thor.
again dont try to present colossusnaut as juggernaut, as of now he was injured hurt and treated like trash, it is clear that the colossusnaut has a new approach to the juggernaut powers he is not that durable however he just keep going, the kuurth that was breaking his bones was only cain marko with the serpent powers left which makes it even funnier.
dont try to turn it into a juggernaut vs zeus thing, i see what you are doing here and it wont work, this is kuurth which is depowered juggernaut + serpent powers and i claim he is not as durable as juggernaut unless you can provide any evidence to the opposite, bringing colossusnaut wont work, we see him getting hurt and humiliated time after time, there is no reason to assume he recieved the exact amount of cyttorak powers as classic juggs, or that he taps into the full powers of the juggernaut, other then those explanations i dont know how to explain the fact he easily gets hurt physically.
he was causing enough destruction in many fights while even depowered back with the excalibur , when fighting against the x - men, besides how can he make same destruction as the classic juggernaut if he doesnt have his powers in the first place? Lol 😆 , anyway as i said already there is no proof statement or showing that cyttorak indeed empowered cain when he got merged with the serpent therefor we go by facts and not speculations which are depowered juggs getting a serpent boost thats all.
this is how it should work as a phylosophia however was it ever presented that way? did cain ever got boosted further by cyttorak? did we ever see juggernaut going and destroying stuff and suddenly he becomes even stronger and the narration or anyone tells us that he just became stronger by causing more destruction? this thing never happened its only your speculation based on 1 issue where cyttorak told cain if he wanted his powers back all he needed to do is go berserk, which again contredicts anything else that happened, what we left with is facts and facts are it was never presented or showed that he recieved his powers back therefor such thing cannot be argued as a fact.
thor can lift mjolnir as he always does and hulk cant, there is nothing to contredict that, however there are many things that contredict what you say, while depowered cain was causing destruction not once and he even went up against the x men, why didnt he get his powers back? when even full power juggernaut why didnt he become further more powerful as the destruction he caused increased? finally when cain was depowered and beat up by WWH he didnt cause any destruction to recieve his powers from cyttorak, all they had is a nice chit chat and bang suddenly cain has the powers back, basically cyttorak meant that if cain wants his love he needs to kick some ass and destroy shit, however it doesnt mean when even he breaks a chair or a table cyttorak is having an orgasm and giving him the powers back, lets not forget that cyttorak was very mad at him because just as cain got his powers back suddenly he betrayed cyttorak once again and gained the captain unvierse powers and helped blah blah blah, i guess cyttorak said screw this guy i am teaching him a more painful leason.
as i stated already the armor and helmet of juggernaut is also empowered by same enhancements, overall he is more durable than them however same magic is empowering them and if someone like colossus is able to crack that you get the picture what an elite skyfather can do, i also find it kinda hypocritical to come and claim zeus cant hurt kuurth however kuurth can hurt him without any proof or reason behind it, when colossusnaut was fighting kuurth he was smashing his face with his fists go look at the scans again, however i will be fair and say that kuurth was depowered and was only on serpent juice, my claim remainds the same if colossus with a punch can crack the helmet which is also empowered by same magic an elite skyfather should destroy the enhancement overall no sweat.
also i find it funny you said zeus with magic will wreck him but without he cant, first of all what makes you think he can beat him even with magic? is there a proof? what are yuou basing this on? another thing is while zeus doesnt use magic he can amp his strength to greater levels like he did with WWH and it should easily overcome kuurth, so basically he channel all that into his strength instead of lightning magics and such.
zeus with his strength sent WWH to coma, punched the life out of him, WWH easily matched juggernaut in strength and took his punches like a champ, juggernaut at full power is more durable than kuurth IMO who is depowered juggs on serpent juice, this is ABC i know but the whole thread is dumb in the first place, do you have a proof kuurth is durable enough to whitstand an elite skyfather attacks? do you have a proof kuurth can hurt an elite skyfather like zeus? you dont have anything so you go for the opposite and ask the zeus side to prove he can hurt kuurth, how can you provide evidence against someone that doesnt have his durability level established in the first place? all we know is that kuurth whitstood omega level mutants thats all, is that enough to claim his durability is anywhere near enought to whitstand a skyfather? this is laughable and stupid.
mad? at you? why would that be? i dont even know you 🙂
there is no evidence kuurth is durable enough to take zeus attacks, there is no evidence kuurth can hurt zeus at any point, to suggest the opposite however is laughable.
thanks man all credit goes to Scythe he made the sig for me he is the best.
colossusnaut does not equel juggernaut, as we saw ever since colossusnaut was introduced he can be hurt and this is obviously a new approach to the juggernaut powers, colossusnaut was hurt physically by rulk as well , it is clear that colossusnaut does not share the same durability as juggernaut, or would you buy that both kuurth and rulk could easily hurt the classic juggernaut as well? look how thing dealt with colossusnaut as well he was humiliating him at first, it is very clear that colossusnaut is a poor and weak version of the juggernaut powers, also lets not forget that the kuurth that broke his bones was just cain + serpent because he was totally stripped off the cyttorak powers, so you really want to believe cain marko only on the serpent powers could break classic juggernaut bones? give me a break.
Show me where Rulk hurt Colossonaut BEFORE Colossonaut allowed it. Even Cain has been shown to cry out due to little things that shouldn't affect him so Rulk attacking his eyes is at best a low showing on his durability.
And it has been shown that magic and crap like that can harm the Juggernaut so it is not out of the realm to think a MAGICALLY amped Cain Marko could break Juggernaut's bones with punches. Was Kuurth's punches stated to be purely physical in nature?
And the Thing did absolutely nothing to Colossonaut. His punches had no effect at all so this is a poor example.
so basically you have no feats of kuurth to even suggest he can hurt an elite skyfather... so how did you come to the conclusion he can win this again?
and your feats from Zeus are "hey he's a skyfather"?
does it show thor going all out as well? he didnt treat juggernaut like he was the threat of the world like he did with galactus, he knows juggernaut and he almost kicked his ass once no reason for thor to go all out on someone like that, anyway i was just suggesting that thor wasnt treating juggernaut with same seriousness as he did with galactus dont try to turn it like i was saying he was holding back or anything, he just wasnt giving his butt into this, and of course i will state again he wasnt 100% himself after he was injured even with the fact he felt better it still doesnt mean anything.
Yes it does show Thor going all out. He. Used. His. Most. Powerful. Attack. What more do you need. Thor said he would use the same attack that scared Galactus and gave pause to a Celestial. Instead of trying to read between some non existant line try taking the panel for what it actaully said. Thor gave it everything he had and just managed to push Juggernaut back a little bit.
thor didnt use the godblast vs thanos either, nor did he use it against void sentry, nor did he use it against the serpent, nor did he use it against galactus any other time when he was actually more powerful, so whats your point? that all those guys are a less threat than juggernaut? its just that the writer decided it would be cool to release a godblast on juggernaut thats all, however in order to not make it redicilous he made the godblast weaker by presenting an injured and weak thor.
Maybe the writers didn't have Thor use the Godblast against others cuz they would not have survived it? And knowing Juggernaut would opted to use it against him? See? I can do it too 🙂
again dont try to present colossusnaut as juggernaut, as of now he was injured hurt and treated like trash, it is clear that the colossusnaut has a new approach to the juggernaut powers he is not that durable however he just keep going, the kuurth that was breaking his bones was only cain marko with the serpent powers left which makes it even funnier.
Maybe. Or maybe magically amped punches hurt him as they should
dont try to turn it into a juggernaut vs zeus thing, i see what you are doing here and it wont work, this is kuurth which is depowered juggernaut + serpent powers and i claim he is not as durable as juggernaut unless you can provide any evidence to the opposite, bringing colossusnaut wont work, we see him getting hurt and humiliated time after time, there is no reason to assume he recieved the exact amount of cyttorak powers as classic juggs, or that he taps into the full powers of the juggernaut, other then those explanations i dont know how to explain the fact he easily gets hurt physically.
When was depowered Juggernaut unstoppable? I seem to recall that when Juggernaut was depowered he wasn't quite as unstoppable. Now here we have a Kuurth who is 100% unstoppable. When he loses the Cyttorak enchantment he is no longer unstoppable. So our common sense tells us that Kuurth's unstoppablity comes from Cyttorak correct? And if that is true and we know a depowered Juggs is not unstoppable we are left with a full powered Juggs inside Kuurth. Unless of course you have some evidence showing Kuurth's unstoppablity came from the Serpent
he was causing enough destruction in many fights while even depowered back with the excalibur , when fighting against the x - men, besides how can he make same destruction as the classic juggernaut if he doesnt have his powers in the first place? Lol , anyway as i said already there is no proof statement or showing that cyttorak indeed empowered cain when he got merged with the serpent therefor we go by facts and not speculations which are depowered juggs getting a serpent boost thats all
he caused enough destruction according to whom? Please show me where it was written that he caused enough destruction to please Cyttorak enough to regain full power during those times.
Im sorry you have a problem accepting that Juggernaut was at full power. He was unstoppable again and it shows Cyttorak being very pleased. I didn't write the story im just going by what was shown to us. Had they not given him his unstoppability and shown a very pleased Cyttorak you might have an argument. But they did so you don't. Again im sorry friend 🙁
this is how it should work as a phylosophia however was it ever presented that way? did cain ever got boosted further by cyttorak? did we ever see juggernaut going and destroying stuff and suddenly he becomes even stronger and the narration or anyone tells us that he just became stronger by causing more destruction? this thing never happened its only your speculation based on 1 issue where cyttorak told cain if he wanted his powers back all he needed to do is go berserk, which again contredicts anything else that happened, what we left with is facts and facts are it was never presented or showed that he recieved his powers back therefor such thing cannot be argued as a fact.
I never said anything about Juggernaut going past his normal classic power. He was depowered. He asked why. Cyttorak what he had to do to regain full power. He did it. Fast forward. Cain is once again depowered. He does what he needs to again. Cyttorak is shown to be very pleased. What more do you need? Im sure the writer didn't think he had to spell out everything like we were children
thor can lift mjolnir as he always does and hulk cant, there is nothing to contredict that, however there are many things that contredict what you say, while depowered cain was causing destruction not once and he even went up against the x men, why didnt he get his powers back? when even full power juggernaut why didnt he become further more powerful as the destruction he caused increased? finally when cain was depowered and beat up by WWH he didnt cause any destruction to recieve his powers from cyttorak, all they had is a nice chit chat and bang suddenly cain has the powers back, basically cyttorak meant that if cain wants his love he needs to kick some ass and destroy shit, however it doesnt mean when even he breaks a chair or a table cyttorak is having an orgasm and giving him the powers back, lets not forget that cyttorak was very mad at him because just as cain got his powers back suddenly he betrayed cyttorak once again and gained the captain unvierse powers and helped blah blah blah, i guess cyttorak said screw this guy i am teaching him a more painful leason
Again im not saying he will get more powerful the more he destroys stuff. But while depowered he was told what to do to regain his strength. He did it once again in Fear Itself and Cyttorak was very pleased. And again while depowered he is nowhere near Unstoppable yet while he was Kuurth he was. That is also an explaination for why i think he was given his power back
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as i stated already the armor and helmet of juggernaut is also empowered by same enhancements, overall he is more durable than them however same magic is empowering them and if someone like colossus is able to crack that you get the picture what an elite skyfather can do, i also find it kinda hypocritical to come and claim zeus cant hurt kuurth however kuurth can hurt him without any proof or reason behind it, when colossusnaut was fighting kuurth he was smashing his face with his fists go look at the scans again, however i will be fair and say that kuurth was depowered and was only on serpent juice, my claim remainds the same if colossus with a punch can crack the helmet which is also empowered by same magic an elite skyfather should destroy the enhancement overall no sweat.
I say that Zeus can't hurt Kuurth physically because Juggernaut(and Kuurth by extention) was written to be completely unhurtable by physical means. It's an enchantment so i don't believe it can be broken physically at all. Meaning Zeus has zero chance of harming Kuurth using just his fists no matter how strong he makes himself. That's just my opinion. Now i don't think Juggernaut suffers from no limits fallacy since he can clearly be harmed in other ways and he isn't just a walking unhurtable monster. He can be hurt just in specific ways.
His armor, while durable, is nothing compared to his body so i really wouldn't put any weight in the "colossus cracked it" argument. No one is arguing that Zeus fists<Kuurth's armor. Now like i said earlier if Zeus were allowed powers he could interupt Kuurth's enchantments and dog walk him. With just plain fists tho he cannot hurt him.
Now the reason i believe Kuurth CAN harm Zeus is because he has an unstoppable MAGIC hammer. As in if he slammed it down on Zeus' skull it would not just stop. Zeus cannot stop it. While i don't think Kuurth would ever one shot Zeus i do think the hammer would hurt him. Plus i think only Zeus is fighting down while Kuurth is free to use whatever he has. If im wrong please tell me
And as far as Colossonaut punching Kuurth he did not seem to harm Kuurth at all. His head swung back but there was no actual damage done
also i find it funny you said zeus with magic will wreck him but without he cant, first of all what makes you think he can beat him even with magic? is there a proof? what are yuou basing this on? another thing is while zeus doesnt use magic he can amp his strength to greater levels like he did with WWH and it should easily overcome kuurth, so basically he channel all that into his strength instead of lightning magics and such.
Well as i've said before with magis Zeus could interupt Kuurth's enchantments causing him to no longer be as durable or even turn him back to just plain ol' Cain Marko. With just his fists he cannot do that
zeus with his strength sent WWH to coma, punched the life out of him, WWH easily matched juggernaut in strength and took his punches like a champ, juggernaut at full power is more durable than kuurth IMO who is depowered juggs on serpent juice, this is ABC i know but the whole thread is dumb in the first place, do you have a proof kuurth is durable enough to whitstand an elite skyfather attacks? do you have a proof kuurth can hurt an elite skyfather like zeus? you dont have anything so you go for the opposite and ask the zeus side to prove he can hurt kuurth, how can you provide evidence against someone that doesnt have his durability level established in the first place? all we know is that kuurth whitstood omega level mutants thats all, is that enough to claim his durability is anywhere near enought to whitstand a skyfather? this is laughable and stupid.
Comparing WWH's durability to Kuurth's or even Juggernaut's is silly. Hulk has never been the most durable guy and WWH is the same. Yes his durability increased but it is still nowhere near Kuurth's. He constantly was cut and bloodied by people who don't even register to Cain. Wolverine clawed his eyes out. Wolverine has NEVER cut Juggernaut. Skaar stabbed him in the chest. While fighting Juggernaut, Skaar never seemed to harm him in the least.
So Zeus beating the piss out of WWH= Zeus beating Kuurth in a similar manner is indeed laughable.
And let's not forget he withstood the GODBLAST!!!!!!!
mad? at you? why would that be? i dont even know you
i dunno if you were mad at me but you did seem a bit ticked off.
there is no evidence kuurth is durable enough to take zeus attacks,
Godblast
there is no evidence kuurth can hurt zeus at any point,
Debatable
to suggest the opposite however is laughable.
Debatable
thanks man all credit goes to Scythe he made the sig for me he is the best.
Think he'll make me one?
Originally posted by Nihilist
Like Cains instoppable power went through War Hulk eh.Again tell me who Kuurth beat that was close to Zeus in power.
Youre arguement is dogshit.
War Hulk amped to a level to stop Juggs. He didn't instantly stop him. So we must conclude that the physical power of War Hulk at that time >>>>>what ever Zeus ever shown.
Also Had Juggs punched War Hulk instead of walk with him (dumbness shit to do) then he could have won easily.
Zeus's physical power isn't enough to stop Kuurth. Zeus has no feats that show that his head will stop the hammer.
Originally posted by juggerman
Show me where Rulk hurt Colossonaut BEFORE Colossonaut allowed it. Even Cain has been shown to cry out due to little things that shouldn't affect him so Rulk attacking his eyes is at best a low showing on his durability.And it has been shown that magic and crap like that can harm the Juggernaut so it is not out of the realm to think a MAGICALLY amped Cain Marko could break Juggernaut's bones with punches. Was Kuurth's punches stated to be purely physical in nature?
And the Thing did absolutely nothing to Colossonaut. His punches had no effect at all so this is a poor example.
and your feats from Zeus are "hey he's a skyfather"?
Yes it does show Thor going all out. He. Used. His. Most. Powerful. Attack. What more do you need. Thor said he would use the same attack that scared Galactus and gave pause to a Celestial. Instead of trying to read between some non existant line try taking the panel for what it actaully said. Thor gave it everything he had and just managed to push Juggernaut back a little bit.
Maybe the writers didn't have Thor use the Godblast against others cuz they would not have survived it? And knowing Juggernaut would opted to use it against him? See? I can do it too 🙂
Maybe. Or maybe magically amped punches hurt him as they should
When was depowered Juggernaut unstoppable? I seem to recall that when Juggernaut was depowered he wasn't quite as unstoppable. Now here we have a Kuurth who is 100% unstoppable. When he loses the Cyttorak enchantment he is no longer unstoppable. So our common sense tells us that Kuurth's unstoppablity comes from Cyttorak correct? And if that is true and we know a depowered Juggs is not unstoppable we are left with a full powered Juggs inside Kuurth. Unless of course you have some evidence showing Kuurth's unstoppablity came from the Serpent
he caused enough destruction according to whom? Please show me where it was written that he caused enough destruction to please Cyttorak enough to regain full power during those times.
Im sorry you have a problem accepting that Juggernaut was at full power. He was unstoppable again and it shows Cyttorak being very pleased. I didn't write the story im just going by what was shown to us. Had they not given him his unstoppability and shown a very pleased Cyttorak you might have an argument. But they did so you don't. Again im sorry friend 🙁
I never said anything about Juggernaut going past his normal classic power. He was depowered. He asked why. Cyttorak what he had to do to regain full power. He did it. Fast forward. Cain is once again depowered. He does what he needs to again. Cyttorak is shown to be very pleased. What more do you need? Im sure the writer didn't think he had to spell out everything like we were children
Again im not saying he will get more powerful the more he destroys stuff. But while depowered he was told what to do to regain his strength. He did it once again in Fear Itself and Cyttorak was very pleased. And again while depowered he is nowhere near Unstoppable yet while he was Kuurth he was. That is also an explaination for why i think he was given his power back
brb to finish
dude, when colossusnaut started to fight with rulk he got hurt and rulk shoved a thumb in his eye and hurt him, i am not talking about juggernaut sometimes going arghh when hit by hulk or what ever because that alone can be debated, i am talking about rulk on panel physically hurting colossusnaut and injuring him, and please dont try to go with something like "thats the eyes his eyes are not durable enought" because that will be laughable.
were they stated to be pure magical in nature? he was empowered by the serpents energy however was it stated to make him a megical being to the core? it was never showed or presented that the magical nature of kuurth was causing the hurt on colossusnaut,also its not like juggernaut has a weakness to magic or anything he can just be effected by a magic to some degree, remind me exactly what magic was able to hurt juggernaut? as far as we know kuurth is a physical being empowered by magical energies however he doesnt work on pure magic as it is energy amped punches, its not like he is using a pure magic on colossusnaut, and its not like juggernaut can be hurt by any degree of magic, i remember him being hurt by pure magic, and please show me what are you reffering to exactly? when was he hurt by magic? odin created and empowered the destroyer does that make any punch from destroyer magical? just because he runs on some kine of power saurce does not outomatically makes him that source.
yeah but just wanted to point out and show how inferior colossusnaut is to juggernaut not only as far as durability but overall.
zeus shitstomped WWH easily, same WWH who matched juggernaut at full power, zeus was shaking the universe by clashing with odin as was stated on panel, you can clearly understand the power output of the guy, and yes he is an elite skyfather and there are some criterions you need to have in order to be a skyfather, its like choosing a celestial without many feats and then ask me to prove he can whitstand cyclops GOML blast and say well the celestial doesnt have many durability feats therefor he loses, zeus was many times established and shown as odin peer, again what kind of evidence do you have to suggest kuurth can hurt such a being? a being that took on galactus with a punch and took down both thor and silver surfer? what makes you think kuurth can take a punishment from him? zeus can just amp his physical strength like he did with WWH and if you believe his magic can defeat kuurth than he can just channel same energies to his physical strength which once again means he beat kuurth by your own words.
this is his most powerful attack however it wasnt his most powerful attack at its best like vs galactus, the same attack that scared galactus does not mean its the same power level it only means the same attack which is the goblast, i never said he didnt use the godblast however what i did say was that the godblast he used on juggernaut wasnt as powerful based on him being hurt and injured.
what? so wait a second, you are actually claiming that galactus even more powerful than when he was weaken and thor used the godblast on him would survive the blast? you make no sense, thor used the godblast on a weaken galactus because he knew he can survive it but recently a more powerful galactus wouldnt survive it? the serpent wouldnt survive it? void sentry wouldnt survive it? thor wanted to kill both serpent and void sentry how the hell can you claim he didnt use his godblast on them because he was afraid they would die? does that make any sense at all? Lol.
was never stated the punches were magical and never stated the magical nature was the one causing this, all we got is colossusnaut stating he is stronger physically and his punches broke his bones.
i dont need a proof his unstopability came from the serpent, i simply have to point out the fact it was never presented to us that he got his powers back at any form, and it already leads us to the fact depowered juggernaut + serpent powers are what made him that way, plus who said he really was unstopabble? he was unstopabble to the guys he faced however who said further he would survive same thing juggernaut did? i dont recall juggernaut getting his helmet cracked from a single punch by colossus, anyway the facts are he was depowered when merged with the serpent, never was it said or implyed he got his full powers back only the fact he gained that kind of power level by merging with serpent so basically depowered juggernaut + serpent = unstopabble like powers however prove it was on classic juggernaut levels.
then you show me a proof where cyttorak is stating he caused enough destruction to get his powers back from him, he said he is pleased with cain however he didnt state anything about being so pleased that he gave him back all his powers, see? it works both ways.
it shows cyttorak being pleased however it was never stated he was pleased to the point he gave him back his powers, never was it mentioned at any point that he regained his powers back, what we know is that he was depowered and merged with the serpent so thats what gave him that power level, no one said even that power level was at least = classic juggernaut, he was unstoppable because he gained new powers such as flying and greater resitance to telepathy so if in the past they could deal with juggernaut via telepathy now they cant, however his durability as far as physical or energy damage is another thing, can you prove he was at least as durable as classic juggernaut by those departments?
so wait a second you really want to tell me after his discussion with cyttorak he went off panel to destroy things? 😆 you are hillerious seriously, it was clear as daylight that after the discussion they had cain got his powers from cyttorak without causing any destruction and cyttorak just basically told him here are your powers but make me proud and make destruction, to assume without any proof at all that he went off panel to destroy shit and only later got his powers is seriously laughable seeing also as he didnt have the time since suddenly he apears infront of WWH.
you did say it, you say his powers depend on how much destruction he cause therefor you basically said that his powers work same way like hulk only hulk has the rage and juggernaut increase his power by destruction again something you just made out over 1 statement which got many contredictions in the first place.
Originally posted by juggerman
ok im backI say that Zeus can't hurt Kuurth physically because Juggernaut(and Kuurth by extention) was written to be completely unhurtable by physical means. It's an enchantment so i don't believe it can be broken physically at all. Meaning Zeus has zero chance of harming Kuurth using just his fists no matter how strong he makes himself. That's just my opinion. Now i don't think Juggernaut suffers from no limits fallacy since he can clearly be harmed in other ways and he isn't just a walking unhurtable monster. He can be hurt just in specific ways.
His armor, while durable, is nothing compared to his body so i really wouldn't put any weight in the "colossus cracked it" argument. No one is arguing that Zeus fists<Kuurth's armor. Now like i said earlier if Zeus were allowed powers he could interupt Kuurth's enchantments and dog walk him. With just plain fists tho he cannot hurt him.
Now the reason i believe Kuurth CAN harm Zeus is because he has an unstoppable MAGIC hammer. As in if he slammed it down on Zeus' skull it would not just stop. Zeus cannot stop it. While i don't think Kuurth would ever one shot Zeus i do think the hammer would hurt him. Plus i think only Zeus is fighting down while Kuurth is free to use whatever he has. If im wrong please tell me
And as far as Colossonaut punching Kuurth he did not seem to harm Kuurth at all. His head swung back but there was no actual damage done
Well as i've said before with magis Zeus could interupt Kuurth's enchantments causing him to no longer be as durable or even turn him back to just plain ol' Cain Marko. With just his fists he cannot do that
Comparing WWH's durability to Kuurth's or even Juggernaut's is silly. Hulk has never been the most durable guy and WWH is the same. Yes his durability increased but it is still nowhere near Kuurth's. He constantly was cut and bloodied by people who don't even register to Cain. Wolverine clawed his eyes out. Wolverine has NEVER cut Juggernaut. Skaar stabbed him in the chest. While fighting Juggernaut, Skaar never seemed to harm him in the least.
So Zeus beating the piss out of WWH= Zeus beating Kuurth in a similar manner is indeed laughable.
And let's not forget he withstood the GODBLAST!!!!!!!
i dunno if you were mad at me but you did seem a bit ticked off.
Godblast
Debatable
Debatable
Think he'll make me one?
as i pointed out before juggernaut is not = kuurth, prove that kuurth is as much resistant to physical damage as juggernaut, as i pointed out it was depowered juggernaut merged with the serpent, it was never stated or presented he got his powers back from cyttorak , being pleast does not mean he got his powers back, therefor a depowered juggernaut + serpent =\= full power juggernaut.
you said you believe zeus can take him out if using magic, same energies can be channeled by zeus to his physical strength and basically increase his strength to those points exactly, zeus raped WWH to coma with his phyusical strength which also has a magical nature, even without using magic his punches has a magical nature and you cant take it because if you do that means you just take all his powers and make it a beared man vs kuurth because thats just zeus.
after we covered the fact zeus punches are anyway magically powered up, you said yourself juggernaut can by hurt by magical nature punches therefor zeus punches should hurt him as well, also even further? even juggernaut who is until it will be proved otherwise >> kuurth as far as physical resistance was hurt physically by onslaught.
you dont get my point, his armor is empowered by same source, not to the degree he is however its empowered by same source as him, and if someone like colossus is enough to already cause any damage to something empowered by that source just imagine the difference between colossus and an amped elite skyfather its not even funny seriously.
but i already explained that even while using only his punches without exotic powers his punches are still amped by his magical energy and when he amp his punches he amp them with his magic which means A this is not only physical but magical damage that can overcome even full power juggernaut and B if you claim his magic is enough to destroy kuurth then he can channel same energy into his punches to beat the living crap out of him physically.
wtf? you believe kuurth can hurt zeus because he was stated to have an unstopabble hammer? dude wtf? juggernaut was stated to be unstopabble but sure as hell many guys stopped him, WWH stopped him, war hulk stopped him, onslaught stopped him, captain universe stopped him, claiming that kuurth can hurt an elite level skyfather because his hammer was stated to be unstopabble is beyond redicilous.
zeus cannot stop his hammer? zeus not using his magic does not mean he doesnt have his overall durability and cant amp his physical states wtf? what feats does this hammer have? just because magneto couldnt stop it does not mean a phuyckin elite skyfather wont be able to, hell i bet zeus will just grab that hammer and beat the crap out of him with it, just wow dude that is one lame argument stating his hammer will hurt zeus just because it was stated as unstopabble, and blob was stated to be unmovable and gee look at the facts.
so what feats does this hammer has for you to believe it can hurt zeus? why do you think it will be more than a fly to zeus? what are the hammer feats? not being stopped by magneto because it also has a magical enhancement? thats it? i am sorry but there are no feats and no evidence kuurth can even tickle zeus , bringing the statement that the hammer cant be stopped is hilerious.
dude colossusnaut was mashing his face in just look at the fight again.
his fists are amped by his magical nature therefor those are magical based fists that will destroy kuurth and all his enhancements.
doesnt matter, WWH along with his healing factor was matching juggernaut, his healing factor along with his durability allows him to hang with juggernaut or anyone, zeus owned him physically and his healing factor stopped to work, why? because again zeus punches are powered by magic and his magical punches vroke down the healing factor itself, same thing will happen to kuurth enhancements and you cant say zeus cannot amp his punches with magic because thats his nature thats how he works, you can only strip him off his godly powers and call it human zeus vs kuurth.
nahh i am not.
kuurth does not equel classic juggernaut, as i said he is a depowered jugegrnaut merged with serpent, if you feel he had the full power of juggernaut present a solid proof to that, even full power juggernaut took a weaker godblast from an injured thor therefor its not valid to begin with.
this is not debatable, kuurth does not have a single feat to suggest he can hurt an elite skyfather like zeus.
again there is no proof.
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dude, when colossusnaut started to fight with rulk he got hurt and rulk shoved a thumb in his eye and hurt him, i am not talking about juggernaut sometimes going arghh when hit by hulk or what ever because that alone can be debated, i am talking about rulk on panel physically hurting colossusnaut and injuring him, and please dont try to go with something like "thats the eyes his eyes are not durable enought" because that will be laughable.
When was any physical damage shown? To me this is no different than Cain yelling out when any number of stupid things happen. He got pissed off and went demon. He wasn't hurt until he let Rulk push his sh!t in
were they stated to be pure magical in nature? he was empowered by the serpents energy however was it stated to make him a megical being to the core? it was never showed or presented that the magical nature of kuurth was causing the hurt on colossusnaut,also its not like juggernaut has a weakness to magic or anything he can just be effected by a magic to some degree, remind me exactly what magic was able to hurt juggernaut? as far as we know kuurth is a physical being empowered by magical energies however he doesnt work on pure magic as it is energy amped punches, its not like he is using a pure magic on colossusnaut, and its not like juggernaut can be hurt by any degree of magic, i remember him being hurt by pure magic, and please show me what are you reffering to exactly? when was he hurt by magic? odin created and empowered the destroyer does that make any punch from destroyer magical? just because he runs on some kine of power saurce does not outomatically makes him that source.
I didn't say the punches WERE magical just that they MIGHT have been. It was just one of many reasons that Kuurth was stomping Colossonaut. Another might be that Colossus was unfamiliar with his Juggerpower and wasn't using it fully. And after seeing his power up and down all the time that is a very plausable explaination.
Juggernaut was hurt by magic when he was stripped down to his skeleton and iirc they did some other things to hurt him magically as well. Also (tho im not too sure about this so i could be wrong) Thor took away his FF and a large chunck of his durability via some kind of hoodoo.
yeah but just wanted to point out and show how inferior colossusnaut is to juggernaut not only as far as durability but overall.
Normally yes but he MAY be superior when he goes demon. Either way Juggernaut as a good guy has to be beaten down on because "Juggernaut v Thor" Juggernaut wouldn't be much fun to write as a hero since not many threats the X-Men get could harm him
zeus shitstomped WWH easily, same WWH who matched juggernaut at full power, zeus was shaking the universe by clashing with odin as was stated on panel, you can clearly understand the power output of the guy, and yes he is an elite skyfather and there are some criterions you need to have in order to be a skyfather, its like choosing a celestial without many feats and then ask me to prove he can whitstand cyclops GOML blast and say well the celestial doesnt have many durability feats therefor he loses, zeus was many times established and shown as odin peer, again what kind of evidence do you have to suggest kuurth can hurt such a being? a being that took on galactus with a punch and took down both thor and silver surfer? what makes you think kuurth can take a punishment from him? zeus can just amp his physical strength like he did with WWH and if you believe his magic can defeat kuurth than he can just channel same energies to his physical strength which once again means he beat kuurth by your own words.
Actually i said magic can hurt JUGGERNAUT. I don't know if magic can hurt Kuurth since he had additional power and whatnot. And still it is my understanding that Zeus is using just his fists and strength not fists surrounded by magical energy. Hulk amps his strength via anger yet his fists aren’t surrounded by an aura of anger (I know that was silly). Yes i know he can amp his strength to hurt WWH but again WWH's durability is trash compared to Juggernaut's and Kuurth's so Zeus hurting WWH=/=Zeus hurting Kuurth. And you have no idea how far he can even amp his strength so to say he can def amp up enough to harm Kuurth is silly since you don't even knoe what Kuurth's limits are if he has any physically
this is his most powerful attack however it wasnt his most powerful attack at its best like vs galactus, the same attack that scared galactus does not mean its the same power level it only means the same attack which is the goblast, i never said he didnt use the godblast however what i did say was that the godblast he used on juggernaut wasnt as powerful based on him being hurt and injured.
His quote says he put it on par with the other ones. Where does it say "if Thor is harmed in any way his godblast weakens"? Even if it was weaker you don't know how much weaker do you? For all you know it was at 99.9999998%.
what? so wait a second, you are actually claiming that galactus even more powerful than when he was weaken and thor used the godblast on him would survive the blast? you make no sense, thor used the godblast on a weaken galactus because he knew he can survive it but recently a more powerful galactus wouldnt survive it? the serpent wouldnt survive it? void sentry wouldnt survive it? thor wanted to kill both serpent and void sentry how the hell can you claim he didnt use his godblast on them because he was afraid they would die? does that make any sense at all? Lol.
Your the one claiming the writers just used it cuz it would be cool. I have no idea why he wouldn't use it on others he deemed as threats. I just gave you another point of view to consider.
And i didn't say Thor was afraid they would die but perhaps the writers were. They have a set plan on how Thor would defeat such and such opponent. If Thor godblasted everyone it would be no fun. No real story or struggle. Odin told Thor he would die against the Serpent. If Thor godblasted the Serpent and killed him Thor wouldn't have died so the writers clearly couldn't go that route
was never stated the punches were magical and never stated the magical nature was the one causing this, all we got is colossusnaut stating he is stronger physically and his punches broke his bones.
Again i didn't say they were magic punches i just said they could have been. But even if they weren't we have a new Juggernaut that can power up and down so it is likely he wasn't at full Juggernaut durability during that fight. Since we know now that his "full power" seems to be his demon form it is likely he was getting pounded at less than Cain's strength
i dont need a proof his unstopability came from the serpent, i simply have to point out the fact it was never presented to us that he got his powers back at any form, and it already leads us to the fact depowered juggernaut + serpent powers are what made him that way, plus who said he really was unstopabble? he was unstopabble to the guys he faced however who said further he would survive same thing juggernaut did? i dont recall juggernaut getting his helmet cracked from a single punch by colossus, anyway the facts are he was depowered when merged with the serpent, never was it said or implyed he got his full powers back only the fact he gained that kind of power level by merging with serpent so basically depowered juggernaut + serpent = unstopabble like powers however prove it was on classic juggernaut levels.
Oh but you do have to prove it. He was not unstoppable depowered. He was unstoppable as Kuurth. Serpent Kuurth was not unstoppable. And you would need to prove that he had a limit to his unstoppability as he showed none.
then you show me a proof where cyttorak is stating he caused enough destruction to get his powers back from him, he said he is pleased with cain however he didnt state anything about being so pleased that he gave him back all his powers, see? it works both ways.
I don't need to. You can clearly see a fully unstoppable monster and a pleased Cyttorak. Since he is not unstoppable depowered we can infer his full power here
it shows cyttorak being pleased however it was never stated he was pleased to the point he gave him back his powers, never was it mentioned at any point that he regained his powers back, what we know is that he was depowered and merged with the serpent so thats what gave him that power level, no one said even that power level was at least = classic juggernaut, he was unstoppable because he gained new powers such as flying and greater resitance to telepathy so if in the past they could deal with juggernaut via telepathy now they cant, however his durability as far as physical or energy damage is another thing, can you prove he was at least as durable as classic juggernaut by those departments?
Again it is something that is infered. The writer doesn't need to spell it out since we see him so pleased and a fully unstoppable JuggerKuurth.
so wait a second you really want to tell me after his discussion with cyttorak he went off panel to destroy things? you are hillerious seriously, it was clear as daylight that after the discussion they had cain got his powers from cyttorak without causing any destruction and cyttorak just basically told him here are your powers but make me proud and make destruction, to assume without any proof at all that he went off panel to destroy shit and only later got his powers is seriously laughable seeing also as he didnt have the time since suddenly he apears infront of WWH.
No Cain got his powers back right away. Cyttorak told Cain why he was depowered and if he wanted his power back he had to go back to being a destruction machine. It was like a verbal agreement. Like “Hey I give you your power and you destroy. Deal? Ok here’s your power.”
you did say it, you say his powers depend on how much destruction he cause therefor you basically said that his powers work same way like hulk only hulk has the rage and juggernaut increase his power by destruction again something you just made out over 1 statement which got many contredictions in the first place.
No no I did not say if he causes more destruction he gets more power even if he’s already at full power. I said him art less than full power gets more power when he causes destruction.
Ok lemme put it to you this way: We have a full power Juggernaut when he is bad. Then he becomes a good guy and loses a good amount of his power. Then the being that gave him his power told him the reason for the loss of power was that he was not being selfish and causing destruction. Said being grants him his power back if he promises to go back to his old ways which he agrees. So clearly his full power rides on how he acts. If he causes destruction and is selfish than Cyttorak is happy and Juggs has his power. (BTW when exactly did Juggs depower again. I can’t seem to remember. When Skaar launched him into space he was full power right? Then what happened between that and Fear Itself?)
as i pointed out before juggernaut is not = kuurth, prove that kuurth is as much resistant to physical damage as juggernaut, as i pointed out it was depowered juggernaut merged with the serpent, it was never stated or presented he got his powers back from cyttorak , being pleast does not mean he got his powers back, therefor a depowered juggernaut + serpent =\= full power juggernaut.
Even if you are right, which you aren’t btw, prove that Kuurth<Juggernaut. Everything we see from Kuurth screams FP Juggernaut plus whatever Serpent added. He was unstoppable, unhurtable, had no shown limits to his strength just like Juggs plus he was using lightning strikes, walking on air, and couldn’t be put down by mind control. You seem to believe he was below Juggernaut in some way so tell me where. What exactly makes you think that.
you said you believe zeus can take him out if using magic, same energies can be channeled by zeus to his physical strength and basically increase his strength to those points exactly, zeus raped WWH to coma with his phyusical strength which also has a magical nature, even without using magic his punches has a magical nature and you cant take it because if you do that means you just take all his powers and make it a beared man vs kuurth because thats just zeus.
If you’ve been reading my posts you’d see exactly how I said Zeus can take him out. By interrupting his enchantments via magic. In a fist fight Zeus cannot do that. Again Zeus can amp him strength but making his punches magical is totally different. My impression here is Zeus can make himself stronger (like Hulk gets stronger) but it is still just fists not magical fists
after we covered the fact zeus punches are anyway magically powered up, you said yourself juggernaut can by hurt by magical nature punches therefor zeus punches should hurt him as well, also even further? even juggernaut who is until it will be proved otherwise >> kuurth as far as physical resistance was hurt physically by onslaught.
We have not covered Zeus’ fists being magical. As I said earlier his punches here are purely physical. Hell Cain Marko himself has his strength increased by magical means yet his punches are not magical in nature. Same rule applies here. And again Juggernaut is affected by magic. Kuurth on the other hand has shown no such limitation. I think he no sold Magik during Fear Itself. You can’t use the “if Juggernaut is weak to it then Kuurth is too” argument since Juggernaut is weak to mind control and we know what happened when they tried that mess on Kuurth right?
you dont get my point, his armor is empowered by same source, not to the degree he is however its empowered by same source as him, and if someone like colossus is enough to already cause any damage to something empowered by that source just imagine the difference between colossus and an amped elite skyfather its not even funny seriously.
I do get your point it just makes zero sense. That would be like me saying (since Hulk was too slow to land a hit on Spiderman then he should NEVER EVER be able to tag Quicksilver, Thor, Gladiator, or anyone vasy superior to Spidey’s speed) We constantly see how that goes. Besides please prove Zeus can amp to a level that can hurt Kuurth or Juggernaut. You seem to ‘believe he has no limit to his power and can overcome Kuurth no matter what. Yet if he indeed had no limit he wouldn’t just be a Skyfather would he? I know he can amp up vastly but I don’t think he can amp up enough JUST PHYSICALLY to put down Kuurth
but i already explained that even while using only his punches without exotic powers his punches are still amped by his magical energy and when he amp his punches he amp them with his magic which means A this is not only physical but magical damage that can overcome even full power juggernaut and B if you claim his magic is enough to destroy kuurth then he can channel same energy into his punches to beat the living crap out of him physically.
A magical punch is a magical attack. He cannot use magic offensively here. So he must use purely physical punches. And once again for the cheap seats: JUGGERNAUT CAN BE HARMED BY MAGIC. NO ONE SAID KUURTH IS AS SUSEPTABLE.
wtf? you believe kuurth can hurt zeus because he was stated to have an unstopabble hammer? dude wtf? juggernaut was stated to be unstopabble but sure as hell many guys stopped him, WWH stopped him, war hulk stopped him, onslaught stopped him, captain universe stopped him, claiming that kuurth can hurt an elite level skyfather because his hammer was stated to be unstopabble is beyond redicilous.
WWH was able to tag Zeus and send him flying. No I don’t think Zeus was overly hurt but he felt it. It did something. Now as you’ve pointed out Juggernaut matched WWH’s strength. And since Kuurth is stronger than normal Juggs AND has an unstoppable magical hammer yes I do think he can hurt Zeus.
zeus cannot stop his hammer? zeus not using his magic does not mean he doesnt have his overall durability and cant amp his physical states wtf? what feats does this hammer have? just because magneto couldnt stop it does not mean a phuyckin elite skyfather wont be able to, hell i bet zeus will just grab that hammer and beat the crap out of him with it, just wow dude that is one lame argument stating his hammer will hurt zeus just because it was stated as unstopabble, and blob was stated to be unmovable and gee look at the facts.
Zeus with magic can stop it. Here he has none. No buddy he ain’t stopping with pure might. Juggernaut and Blob are totally different. Cain’s magical enchantment makes him unstoppable to all physical things. Magic can stop him but not just strength alone
so what feats does this hammer has for you to believe it can hurt zeus? why do you think it will be more than a fly to zeus? what are the hammer feats? not being stopped by magneto because it also has a magical enhancement? thats it? i am sorry but there are no feats and no evidence kuurth can even tickle zeus , bringing the statement that the hammer cant be stopped is hilerious.
I have WWH punching Zeus with enough force to make him feel it and go flying. Since Juggs matched WWH and Kuurth>Juggs I think Kuurth’s punch would do more. Add an unstoppable magical hammer and the damage just increases
dude colossusnaut was mashing his face in just look at the fight again.
You go look again. Colossonaut was hitting him yes but there was no damage done. A punch doesn’t equal damage and if you believe it does we should probably just stop this now
his fists are amped by his magical nature therefor those are magical based fists that will destroy kuurth and all his enhancements.
Juggernaut’s fists are amped magically too. Moot point
doesnt matter, WWH along with his healing factor was matching juggernaut, his healing factor along with his durability allows him to hang with juggernaut or anyone, zeus owned him physically and his healing factor stopped to work, why? because again zeus punches are powered by magic and his magical punches vroke down the healing factor itself, same thing will happen to kuurth enhancements and you cant say zeus cannot amp his punches with magic because thats his nature thats how he works, you can only strip him off his godly powers and call it human zeus vs kuurth.
WWH durability<<<<<<<<<<<Kuurth’s. Still a moot point
nahh i am not.
Ok
kuurth does not equel classic juggernaut, as i said he is a depowered jugegrnaut merged with serpent, if you feel he had the full power of juggernaut present a solid proof to that, even full power juggernaut took a weaker godblast from an injured thor therefor its not valid to begin with.
I know he does not equal him. He is superior
this is not debatable, kuurth does not have a single feat to suggest he can hurt an elite skyfather like zeus.
And Zeus has no feats proving he can hurt Kuurth purely physically
again there is no proof.[quote]disagree
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Originally posted by Colossus-Big CWho cares? Hulk strength varies. He is weak at times IMO. Being stronger than Hulk doesn't mean you can damage Kuurth at all.
Zeus was amping his physical stats, who knows how much power he can pour into his physical might. A guy invoking zeus was also physically pushing hulks shit in two issues later.Zeus>>> Guy Invoking Zeus>> Hulk Physically
Originally posted by h1a8You serious? It was casual he comboed Hulk half to death in a couple panels this while restricting himself to only h2h
There's a huge difference between not difficult and casual. In all honesty Zeus used at least half of his physical might on Hulk. Otherwise he could have casually smacked or pinkied him (. 😱 )
