Originally posted by socool8520
Hmmm..I guess I just haven't read about any of his training yet.
You aren't either. The most we get from his childhood flashbacks consists of some hilariously abusive survival training and a few glimpses of him practicing his powers.
Luffy is just strong because most everyone in One Piece is strong. A character related to Luffy is the strongest character in the manga at the moment.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea. One nice thing about OP is training is largely off-screen.Even training that takes place during the story is glossed over.
It works for a pacing I suppose, since it doesn't distract from the plot but honestly every time Luffy uses the Gears it bugs me. I really wish Oda would have just had him invent them on the fly(Like Mizu Luffy), rather than it being offscreen training. Offscreen training that I'll never see makes it all feel unearned. Unless it's a timeskip or in the case where the power just come naturally by instinct.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
It works for a pacing I suppose, since it doesn't distract from the plot but honestly every time Luffy uses the Gears it bugs me. I really wish Oda would have just had him invent them on the fly(Like Mizu Luffy), rather than it being offscreen training. Offscreen training that I'll never see makes it all feel unearned. Unless it's a timeskip or in the case where the power just come naturally by instinct.
I agree. i like the way a lot of Naruto's training is shown on panel. It makes me believe he truly earned it. I feel the exact opposite about Sasuke, who just comes up with new stuff every time he's shown. Hell, even lesser characters like Lee, Neji, Hinata, and Tenten are shown training rigorously.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
In the case of Sasuke, it's instinctive. How does one go about training something while knowing every time you use it it makes you blind?Trying to think of a good One Piece example of this. Luffy could stretch on instinct I guess but there really was no downside to practicing there.
It's not just the eye thing. It's everything. The lightning raiton, Kirin, etc. The only thing we have ever seen him train for was his giant fireball, and I respected the fact that his was better than Itachi's. He trained for it. We saw it. Everything else was just tacked on off-panel. Oh, and I guess that BS speed training that he obtained during the exams that made him comparable to lee.
Originally posted by socool8520
It's not just the eye thing. It's everything. The lightning raiton, Kirin, etc. The only thing we have ever seen him train for was his giant fireball, and I respected the fact that his was better than Itachi's. He trained for it. We saw it. Everything else was just tacked on off-panel. Oh, and I guess that BS speed training that he obtained during the exams that made him comparable to lee.
That all occurred during a timeskip. There is no way that kind of training can be done on panel for everybody. Chidori was meant to be a surprise but I don't think anyone has ever had a problem with it. Copying Lee's speed? Well...yeah that was pretty freaking stupid. It kinda screws with the logic of the fights too since Naruto is later fighting on par with Sasuke though if the latter had Lee's speed it shouldn't have been much of a fight.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
That all occurred during a timeskip. There is no way that kind of training can be done on panel for everybody. Chidori was meant to be a surprise but I don't think anyone has ever had a problem with it. Copying Lee's speed? Well...yeah that was pretty freaking stupid. It kinda screws with the logic of the fights too since Naruto is later fighting on par with Sasuke though if the latter had Lee's speed it shouldn't have been much of a fight.
Well, Naruto's speed improved over time.
And I will note it's copying Lee's weighted speed, not his unweighted or gate speed (which is why Sasuke's post-speed training speed is 3.5 to Lee's 4.5).
Originally posted by BloodRain
It would be sort of strange to watch the at-the-time antagonist going through a training sequence for a new technique.Didn't copying Lee's speed put a strain on his body?
Indeed.
Apparently but I honestly can't remember if we were shown this or if it was a one off statement.
Originally posted by Q99
Well, Naruto's speed improved over time.And I will note it's copying Lee's weighted speed, not his unweighted or gate speed (which is why Sasuke's post-speed training speed is 3.5 to Lee's 4.5).
No I remember them saying he was also moving as fast as Lee without the weights.
Originally posted by Q99The manga specifically states it is Lee's unweighted speed.
Well, Naruto's speed improved over time.And I will note it's copying Lee's weighted speed, not his unweighted or gate speed (which is why Sasuke's post-speed training speed is 3.5 to Lee's 4.5).
And Lee was only a 4 back then.
"Is Luffy's fighting style bland?"
Ah, no =/ I mean, yeah it's all punching and kicking, but that's what all hand to hand combat is, are people expecting Luffy to shoot Kamehame beams or something? I actually think Luffy's style is incredibly clever and fun and that Oda really spiced up not only hand to hand, but stretching based combat (you want bland, watch Reed Richards fight with just his powers and not his giant brain). His move list is large and varied (unlike Naruto who used like 2 moves for the entire first half of the series) and for a while he never used the same finishing move in a row. His upgrade moves are interesting as well and you can tell Oda puts a lot of thought into combat. So, no I don't think Luffy's style is bland, his fashion sense could use some work though (pre-time skip anyway: a vest with no shirt underneath and shorts? He's a pair of suspenders and work boots away from being a FF7 character 😛 ).
Originally posted by Q99Gotta disagree there.
There was against 4-Tails, where he creativity used one of his clones being eaten to his advantage.
Or against Deva Pain, where he disguised them as rocks and used them to resist the push-back.
I liked how he got Obito by having Kakashi dimension dump his clone, than force Obito to flee to that dimension with a beast bomb, right into the waiting clones Rasengan.