Lord Vitiate vs Revan & FoTJ Luke

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
On what grounds are you assuming that Luke Skywalker can withstand Vitiate's Force Lightning Storm or Sorcery that one-shotted a Dark Council?

1. The fact that Luke's just more powerful?

2. On what grounds are you assuming that Vitiate can display that in combat on a whim and that he didn't execute a prepared ritual to destroy the Dark Council?

And with Revan on the side of Vitiate, the duo will eliminate Luke Skywalker without significant struggle.

That needs a better argument, because a serious Luke could effortlessly dismiss Revan with the Force ala Caedus. And Revan gets beheaded in a few strikes at most when it comes to sabers as well.

Based on?

Based on him being able to enter Beyond Shadows after he's killed Vitiate physically and then destroying his essence there?

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. The fact that Luke's just more powerful?

Originally posted by SunRazer 2. On what grounds are you assuming that Vitiate can display that in combat on a whim and that he didn't execute a prepared ritual to destroy the Dark Council?

Originally posted by SunRazer
That needs a better argument, because a serious Luke could effortlessly dismiss Revan with the Force ala Caedus. And Revan gets beheaded in a few strikes at most when it comes to sabers as well.

And if Luke Skywalker could really dismiss Darth Caedus so easily, mind telling me why the former failed to restrain Darth Caedus in similar manner during their second confrontation?

Originally posted by SunRazer
Based on him being able to enter Beyond Shadows after he's killed Vitiate physically and then destroying his essence there?

Luke solos

I would hope Legend thinks it is also utter nonsense that Vitiate would solo this.

He just attempted arguing Valkorion vs GEoM, the limits to his absurdities are vast at best.

Fair point.

The idea that Luke can take on both is equally retarded.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The idea that Luke can take on both is equally retarded.

Originally posted by AncientPower
He just attempted arguing Valkorion vs GEoM, the limits to his absurdities are vast at best.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And you are the one who fakes quotes. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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Did somebody say "Ant's *****"?

Originally posted by AncientPower
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Did somebody say "Ant's *****"?

Here is your latest:

"Scourge couldn't even take Captain Yarri 1 vs 1, he spends almost the entire fight struggling to best her and she tags him twice rendering his right arm inoperable. Then Scourge amplifies himself off of the death of the single Guard that comes to aid Yarri and then Scourge wins.

Meanwhile Meetra was fighting five at once until one left to intervene in Scourge's fight, so she killed the remaining four single-handedly in the same amount of time it took Lord Scourge to kill his own. Furthermore Meetra hadn't been tagged once, because if she had one of her limbs would be numbed by the blow and that evidently wasn't the case once she charged to face the Emperor and save Revan."

For reference: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=625970

Now tell, exactly when Meetra Surik fight [5] Imperial Guards at a time? Go ahead.

Old habits die hard...

On the stairs before the fight, there are six Imperial Guards and Captain Yarri, Revan kicks one and then cuts through another to face the Emperor.

Lord Scourge faces Captain Yarri who appeared on the bottom of the stairs, in a one vs one contest, leaving Meetra to face the five remaining guards by herself beside the door entering the throne room.

One guard splits off from the other four to aid Captain Yarri against Lord Scourge and by this time they have backed into the room proper whilst T3 seals the door.

Meetra evidently killed two by this point as Lord Scourge observes her killing a pair of her own when he cuts down Yarri, leaving none of the guards alive.

Read your own source material LeGenD.

Originally posted by AncientPower
On the stairs before the fight, there are six Imperial Guards and Captain Yarri, Revan kicks one and then cuts through another to face the Emperor.

Lord Scourge faces Captain Yarri who appeared on the bottom of the stairs, in a one vs one contest, leaving Meetra to face the five remaining guards by herself beside the door entering the throne room.

One guard splits off from the other four to aid Captain Yarri against Lord Scourge and by this time they have backed into the room proper whilst T3 seals the door.

Meetra evidently killed two by this point as Lord Scourge observes her killing a pair of her own when he cuts down Yarri, leaving none of the guards alive.

Read your own source material LeGenD.

Yes, there were 6 Imperial Guards in total. Revan and T3-M4 attacked and killed one. Meetra Surik proceeded to engage two more but one of them broke off to face Revan (and Revan killed him as well). This left Lord Scourge and Meetra Surik to face two each. 6 more attempted to join the battle but Revan blocked their path by collapsing a structure around them.

There were seven in total, including Captain Yarri.

The one Revan kicks and T3 shoots clearly didn't die given that it is stated that three others besides the two Surik initially charged at the door had triggered the alarm.

Those guards wear things called chestplates, something you wear as a piece of armor LeGenD, so evidently T3's blast didn't kill him when it hit him... in the chest.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Where it is stated that Luke Skywalker is more powerful then Vitiate?

I didn't say it was stated. But Luke being able to reach Anakin's potential as per Lucas suggests to me that if he's 60-something, he should be a good way towards reaching that potential - which is well above Valkorion's paygrade. So being anywhere close to that potential puts him above Vitiate.

Or we can go by feats.

On this ground: https://i.imgur.com/15dEtT9.webm

Evidently not something he can do on a whim. I mean, if he could just annihilate planets like that, why did he need to rely on other means to cause those planet-wide genocides so he could set up his ritual?

EDIT: Never mind, that's Vitiate on Yavin IV, isn't it? Him destroying structures and some mooks doesn't equate to annihilating the Council. And regardless, Vitiate's had plenty of chances for him to invoke this Council-busting power, but he never could.

This is your assumption. This is the same Revan who sent Satele Shan, Darth Marr, Lana Beniko and 4 more packing across the arena with his Telekinetic powers.

Thanks for telling me the obvious.

And if Luke Skywalker could really dismiss Darth Caedus so easily, mind telling me why the former failed to restrain Darth Caedus in similar manner during their second confrontation?

It's not if, it's something even Caedus agreed with. As for why he didn't do that in the fight, very simple - PIS, or it's one of the inconsistencies that the Legacy era with Denning/Traviss are infamous for - ie. Luke vs Lumiya, or even Luke/Lumiya in general. Inconsistencies are a pain to deal with for early Legacy era characters, but if Luke's fighting at his best, he beats the Emperor.

What makes you think that Vitiate lurks in the realm of Beyond Shadow?

Everything in the galaxy has a corresponding counterpart in Beyond Shadows, and vice versa. As far as I'm concerned, you don't get to pick where you exist.

Nothing stops Luke from Mind Walking after killing Vitiate's physical form, and finishing off his weakened essence there.