Originally posted by Nephthys
Isn't Vegeto dozens of times faster than Thor?I've seen a lot of Thor vs fast characters like Superman threads, but idk if I've ever seen something that would allow Thor to actually tag one of them except PIS.
Vegeto is slower than Thor in flight speed and Thor's reflexes is enough to evade aswell. Do you think Vegeto will be able to catch Thor if he flew off from a distance? it's impossible, considering no DBZ character can reach the distance of the sun in just a few seconds.
Look how Thor cuts the distance from his opponent. The original Black Knight shoots bolas from his lance that are literally surrounding Thor, but because of his speed, Thor knocks the lance away and evades capture.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed05Avengers006.jpg
Prove that Goku can destroy a planet faster than Hulk did in HotM, just to humor me.
Was that normal unamped Savage Hulk? Im not talking about Hulk at World Breaker levels. Hulk was more than capable of threashing Thor before he could easily bust planets
Goku loses in strength and that there's no purpose in destroying the planet because Goku can't survive in space and that Thor can. If he miss a planet destroying blast he's done for, Thor isn't because he actually has survived much wosre. Because Goku is based off of ki, not the elements of the earth itself which Thor has survived and beyound that (tempatures of the sun).
Goku does lose in strength but this is not an arm wrestling contest. His hit can hurt Thor. He has gone blow for blow with opponents and their hit caused shock waves that destroyed stuff. IIRC his and Freiza's punches were shaking the planet. That's alot harder than some of Hulk's punches that have taken down Thor in the past. Hell Namor recently beat down on Thor with punches that didn't cause any shock waves.
He is combat speed is much faster than Thor's and just about everyone in DBZ speed blitz slower people.
And he can easily use Instant Transmission to attack Thor from behind making him blocking with the hammer difficult. He doesn't have to destroy the planet since he can change the direction his Kamehameha travels mid flight
Originally posted by juggerman
Was that normal unamped Savage Hulk? Im not talking about Hulk at World Breaker levels. Hulk was more than capable of threashing Thor before he could easily bust planetsGoku does lose in strength but this is not an arm wrestling contest. His hit can hurt Thor. He has gone blow for blow with opponents and their hit caused shock waves that destroyed stuff. IIRC his and Freiza's punches were shaking the planet. That's alot harder than some of Hulk's punches that have taken down Thor in the past. Hell Namor recently beat down on Thor with punches that didn't cause any shock waves.
He is combat speed is much faster than Thor's and just about everyone in DBZ speed blitz slower people.
And he can easily use Instant Transmission to attack Thor from behind making him blocking with the hammer difficult. He doesn't have to destroy the planet since he can change the direction his Kamehameha travels mid flight
This is not Hulk Vegeto is fighting but Thor. Thor strength needed to be proven superior, to make the better combatant. Vegeto shock waves come from ki, not pure strength. Notice how he struggle with ten tons in the after life, Thor grace Vegeto, and he is in trouble.
Thor doesn't have to worry about combat speed because Vegeto will never be able to catch him. You can't limit a character's speed in favor of another, Thor is vastly faster than Vegeto in flight speed and would discover various way's on how to slow him down.
Thor will take it in space, who could also teleport, but has low ki so Vegeto's IT is limited depending on the distance. Vegeto can change the direction of his blast, Thor doesn't have to be there witness it. Thor can control air currents to slow Vegeto down, his eyes are a weakness, he can't see past a flash of thunder.
People really make too much of Thor's relative lack of speed feats.
He's routinely taken on characters with fast combat reflexes, including those with FTL reflexes like Silver Surfer (whom he's beaten before). Even if one were to assume that Vegetto had a speed edge, it isn't one so demonstrative that Thor won't be able to dodge or parry his attacks. On the flip side, Vegetto isn't so fast that he's going to be able to avoid catching Mjolnir to the face. Even with IT--which is limited by the user's reflexes--Vegetto isn't going to be able to inflict sufficient damage to Thor to drop him.
Vegeto is faster in combat speed, but I don't see him putting Thor down even if the speed gap allows him to land multiple blows on him. He could probably physically tank Vegete's attacks and in case he feels he couldn't he has Mjolnir and shields to handle the ki assault. Also...Vegeto likes to show off. He better go serious straight from the very beginning or else Thor shoves the hammer up his candy ass.
Thor has been getting his ass beat recently by people with much less offensive capabilities than Vegeto. To say that Thor can laugh off multiple blows is being optimistic.
Originally posted by Harbinger
People really make too much of Thor's relative lack of speed feats.He's routinely taken on characters with fast combat reflexes, including those with FTL reflexes like Silver Surfer (whom he's beaten before).
Yeah and Deathstroke has beaten the Flash but we don't argue that he should be able to keep up with FTL characters. This happens all the time in comics and it can usually be passed off as PIS or the writer not having a grasp of the characters abilities/being incompetent.
Admittedly the lack of concern over Superspeed in comics is a pet peeve of mine. People shouldn't be able to tag speedsters by 'guessing where they'll be and timing their attacks' or any of the other bullshit ways that beings without superspeed have beaten speedsters. It pissed me off.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Thor has been getting his ass beat recently by people with much less offensive capabilities than Vegeto. To say that Thor can laugh off multiple blows is being optimistic.
Yes he would tank it and i didn't say he would laugh it off. By tank I meant he could simply take it. Years upon years of feats don't get ignored simply because at the moment Thor is not having the best time of his comic life.
I agree about the speed issue in comics. Combat speed feats is part of the reason I prefered DC over Marvel when I collected comics. In DC everyone and their mommas have super speed lol.
Thor is not a standing target, and can use thunder to hit himself, causing both Vegeto and Thor to be hit, but Thor won't be effected by his own powers. That's just one way to stop a speed assault from Vegeto. Another is increasing the speed of the wind around himself, which he could put it a reasonable speed to slow Vegeto down or actually cut him. Both methods would in stoping a speed biltz in close combat, giving Thor a chance to break apart from Vegeto or actually hitting him, which might KO him with the hammer.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorLightning03v211.jpg
The methods I posted are good shields, Vegeto can't stop air currents or lightining. He also fuses Mjolnir together with lightning from his touch, that's how he can easily stop a speed biltz.
Here's another.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorLightning04AvengersClassic5.jpg
His entire body can literally crackle with lightning.
Comparing DS tagging guys like Wonder Woman and Flash--IE, a street leveler tagging legit top tiers--to Thor (himself a top tier) doing it to other top tiers is misleading. It isn't PIS for Thor to hit guys with speed; it's his average.
If anyone's going to assert that Vegetto's speed is a problem for Thor, then IMO, you'd have to argue that Vegetto's speed feats trump those of guys like Surfer/Gladiator/Hyperion, all of whom Thor has fought and beaten before.
Chances are that Vegetto winds up getting his head caved in before he drops Thor via his not-so-demonstrative speed advantage.
This is not Hulk Vegeto is fighting but Thor. Thor strength needed to be proven superior, to make the better combatant. Vegeto shock waves come from ki, not pure strength. Notice how he struggle with ten tons in the after life, Thor grace Vegeto, and he is in trouble.
I know it isn't Hulk vs Vegito but seeing from Hulk vs Thor all the time it takes much less than planet busting attacks to down Thor. I know Thor is stronger but he fights like a brick so much that i don't think he will be landing hits against Vegito.
Thor doesn't have to worry about combat speed because Vegeto will never be able to catch him. You can't limit a character's speed in favor of another, Thor is vastly faster than Vegeto in flight speed and would discover various way's on how to slow him down.
Im not limiting Thor's speed because he doesn't fight by zipping all over the place while DBZ charaters do. He stands and fights like a true warrior but that will cost him here
Thor will take it in space, who could also teleport, but has low ki so Vegeto's IT is limited depending on the distance. Vegeto can change the direction of his blast, Thor doesn't have to be there witness it. Thor can control air currents to slow Vegeto down, his eyes are a weakness, he can't see past a flash of thunder.
Thor doesn't just take fights into space. Vedito can just Solar Flare Thor and attack him while Thor is blindly swinging the hammer. Or like i said before he could charge a Kamehameha and then IT behind thor at the last second and hit him in the back. Thor would be defenseless and downed by that. As proven before Thor can be downed by much less than planet busters and a full power Kamehameha by Vegito is many times that.
Thor wins, he's faster, physically stronger, better energy manipulation, and more combat experience. This is a stomp.
Originally posted by juggerman
Savage Hulk Is not a casual planet buster tho. Hulk can destroy a planet but not easily unless your talking WWH.
Classic Hulk easily destroyed an asteroid twice the size of The Earth.
