Originally posted by -Pr-
Hollow? I don't see how.If Batman killed the Joker tomorrow, he'd be seen as a hero who murders his villains, and while some would sympathise with him, Batman's mental state is going to be called in to question, and the League would hunt him.
No more Bruce as Batman.
It's the Joker. Killing him is right up there with killing Darkseid, which Batman did in Final Crisis (making a once-in-a-lifetime exception to his rule.) I'd understand if the League did talk to him, to make sure this wasn't a permanent change in tactics by him, but saying he'd have to retire over it would be as wrong headed as how Bruce & Clark treated Diana for killing Maxwell Lord.
I mean, Hal Jordan & the rest of the GL Corps have been given martial authority by the Guardians since the Sinestro Corps War. Would the League hunt him down if he used it as directed by his masters? (Or has that been retconned, just like Superman's execution of the three Kryptonian criminals from John Byrne's pocket universe?)
Originally posted by roughrider
It's the Joker. Killing him is right up there with killing Darkseid, which Batman did in Final Crisis (making a once-in-a-lifetime exception to his rule.) I'd understand if the League did talk to him, to make sure this wasn't a permanent change in tactics by him, but saying he'd have to retire over it would be as wrong headed as how Bruce & Clark treated Diana for killing Maxwell Lord.I mean, Hal Jordan & the rest of the GL Corps have been given martial authority by the Guardians since the Sinestro Corps War. Would the League hunt him down if he used it as directed by his masters? (Or has that been retconned, just like Superman's execution of the three Kryptonian criminals from John Byrne's pocket universe?)
Killing Darkseid is completely different.
The only reason Diana was allowed to continue after what happened with Lord was because of what Lord had been doing to Superman. That, and the League was fractured at that point; they had bigger problems than taking Diana in.
The League doesn't know what Jordan does, though, and how many people on Earth has he killed? As horrible as it might sound, the League cares more about Earth than it does the universe.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Killing Darkseid is completely different.
Not really. I guess Darkseid is just a worse version of the Joker. Well I guess you just have to be a threat to the whole universe but being a mass muderer doesn't matter.
Originally posted by -Pr-
The League doesn't know what Jordan does, though, and how many people on Earth has he killed? As horrible as it might sound, the League cares more about Earth than it does the universe.
I dunno man doesn't Superman do alot of stuff in outer space? What about WW doesn't she operate in other dimensions? So no thats not a legit reason. Werent the GL corps given authorisation to kill at the end of the Sinestro wars in front of every one? Could be wrong about that one, maybe I remembered it wrong.
Originally posted by Deadline
Not really. I guess Darkseid is just a worse version of the Joker. Well I guess you just have to be a threat to the whole universe but being a mass muderer doesn't matter.I dunno man doesn't Superman do alot of stuff in outer space? What about WW doesn't she operate in other dimensions? So no thats not a legit reason. Werent the GL corps given authorisation to kill at the end of the Sinestro wars in front of every one? Could be wrong about that one, maybe I remembered it wrong.
Darkseid threatened the very multiverse with his actions. Joker, when it comes down to it, is just a prolific murderer. He can still be put in prison, arrested etc.
Superman doesn't follow the Green Lanterns around. Diana goes to other dimenions that the Green Lanterns don't operate in.
So yes, I don't see why it's not a legit reason, especially seeing as Green Lanterns are the equivalent of the police. Superman doesn't go after cops who shoot dead a bank-robber. Why? Because they're part of the law. Green Lanterns are part of galactic law.
Batman is neither of those things.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Darkseid threatened the very multiverse with his actions. Joker, when it comes down to it, is just a prolific murderer.
Why are you playing with words? He's a mass murderer who on some ocassions torturers people to death. So basically what you're saying is it doesn't matter unless he becomes a multiversal threat.
Didn't The Joker become a threat to the whole planet (universe and possibly multiverse) on one ocassion? Thats not important either is it?
Originally posted by -Pr-
He can still be put in prison, arrested etc.
Haven't people pointed out that The Joker keeps breaking out?
Originally posted by -Pr-Superman doesn't follow the Green Lanterns around. Diana goes to other dimenions that the Green Lanterns don't operate in.
You missed the point. Superman and WW are concerned with justice on other planets and dimesnions not just earth.
Originally posted by -Pr-So yes, I don't see why it's not a legit reason, especially seeing as Green Lanterns are the equivalent of the police. Superman doesn't go after cops who shoot dead a bank-robber. Why? Because they're part of the law. Green Lanterns are part of galactic law.
Batman is neither of those things.
Yea actually Batman is unoffically and he still went after Darkseid.
Originally posted by -Pr-
...Please re-read my post until you get the actual point of what I said, without trying to aggressively start something.
I don't need to read anything. As usual you're not intelligent enough to get the point I'm making, oh I made an edit not that it matters.
I'm not being aggressive it's not my fault you talk nonsense on a regular basis. Also I'm not the one who replied to your post 1 second after they had been posted.
Originally posted by Deadline
I don't need to read anything. As usual you're not intelligent enough to get the point I'm making, oh I made an edit not that it matters.I'm not being aggressive it's not my fault you talk nonsense on a regular basis. Also I'm not the one who replied to your post 1 second after they had been posted.
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Why are you so aggressive? Seriously? Did I accidentally run over your cat or something?
Originally posted by -Pr-
The League doesn't know what Jordan does, though, and how many people on Earth has he killed? As horrible as it might sound, the League cares more about Earth than it does the universe.
I don't want to believe that the reason why Batman doesn't kill is because the JLA is stupid enough to think that allowing a mass murderer to go to jail knowing that he's going to inevitably break out and kill a bunch of innocent people is the superior alternative to letting Batman just kill the guy. I don't want to believe that the JLA is that incompetent.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
I don't want to believe that the reason why Batman doesn't kill is because the JLA is stupid enough to think that allowing a mass murderer to go to jail knowing that he's going to inevitably break out and kill a bunch of innocent people is the superior alternative to letting Batman just kill the guy. I don't want to believe that the JLA is that incompetent.
It's not something most of them have even thought about. If he did kill Joker though, some of them would hunt him as they'd be worried he'd gone off the deep end.
Especially since he's spent years preaching about not killing.
I've never understood the hero's defense against "no killing". I can most definitely understand no murder. Everyone should have the chance to be tried criminally (unless they are like Darksied and thus above human social constraints).
However, Law Enforcement officers can and do kill - not murder. There is a big difference between the two words. Murder implies there was a choice and that the person could have been taken in or that you did the death blow due to an emotional reason where another option was available.
Killing someone for the greater good is something that happens in the real world - and I think some of the heroes (I can see Wonder Woman being for this) need to realize this. In this case, there is no other option for Joker. If you take him in you realize this is only a temporary respite until he breaks free and kills again. Those lives are directly in your hands if he continues to live.
Batman might not want to kill Joker to keep his own hands relatively clean - but I don't see how he can get upset if someone else kills him. At this point, the Joker has been allowed so many chances that if Gotham were Texas, he'd be dead.
Originally posted by BlightBut that also implies that batman at his core is full of shit. He doesnt want justice, he wants to win which makes jokers statements about them being made for eachother all the more true since both are perfectly willing to play this game forever, innocent lives be damned.
I'm pretty sure that the point Deadline isn't quite grasping is that if Batman kills the Joker, he knows the Joker has won and Batman will never forgive himself.
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
But that also implies that batman at his core is full of shit. He doesnt want justice, he wants to win which makes jokers statements about them being made for eachother all the more true since both are perfectly willing to play this game forever innocent lives be damned