Originally posted by PillarofOsiris😆 i like how you troll every single person who chooses doctor manhattan here.
lol. Based on what? Do you know how many people have tried to transmute or demolecularize Pre DCnU Superman? Dr. Manhattan could only stop 60% of the nukes from the USSR. Pre Reboot Superman could easily stop them them all and have time left over to fly to Vega and back twice. Dr. Manhattan looks like a big shot in a world with no other metahumans on his level. It's doubtful he could even transmute any high herald.
Originally posted by asdf83
The whole 60% of the nukes thing is just one scientist's estimation of the Doctor's powers. I doubt any human on that world has a complete grasp of Manhattan.Anyways, besides his many many powers, he can instantly reform after being vaporized into atoms. The hell is Superman going to do to him?
I distinctly remember Dr. Manhattan himself said that, as he was doubting himself. If he doesn't know his capabilities, who does? What's Dr. Manhattan going to do to a guy who's resisted being transmuted?
Originally posted by keiththegreat
I distinctly remember Dr. Manhattan himself said that, as he was doubting himself. If he doesn't know his capabilities, who does? What's Dr. Manhattan going to do to a guy who's resisted being transmuted?
It's from an article written about Dr. Manhattan.
"It has been similarly theoretically demonstrated that, were a full scale nuclear assault to be launched upon America from Soviet bases in the USSR and Europe, Dr. Manhattan would be able to deflect or disarm at least sixty percent of all incoming missiles before they had reached their targets."
Key words being "theoretically" and "at least." Anyways, even Veidt didn't fully comprehend Dr. Manhattan's capabilities, and he's the smartest man in that world.
Put Surfer in DM's place and every feat that DM did, Surfer would easily replicate (if not surpass). Surfer would have even better control over matter and be able to see into the past and the future just as well.
The only thing DM had over Surfer was a clearly visible willy... Maybe that's enough to scare off Superman.... maybe.
Originally posted by janus77
Put Surfer in DM's place and every feat that DM did, Surfer would easily replicate (if not surpass). Surfer would have even better control over matter and be able to see into the past and the future just as well.The only thing DM had over Surfer was a clearly visible willy... Maybe that's enough to scare off Superman.... maybe.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen Surfer teleport, create clones of himself, or reform himself after being blasted into atoms.
Dr. Manhattan also made it quite clear at the end that he is capable of creating life. Another thing that is beyond Surfer.
Originally posted by asdf83
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen Surfer teleport, create clones of himself, or reform himself after being blasted into atoms.Dr. Manhattan also made it quite clear at the end that he is capable of creating life. Another thing that is beyond Surfer.
He's made clones of himself as well as duplicated his powers and given them to others. He's also brought an inorganic computer to life.
And, unlike Manhattan, he's evolved life on a planet (billions of years).
He has been shattered to atoms and reformed instantly too.
Creating life by creating the building blocks, that's a knowledge feat that Surfer would be capable of replicating, since he can write and rewrite dna too.
Originally posted by janus77
Teleportation, I can't honestly remember off the top of my head, but the others he has done for definite.He's made clones of himself as well as duplicated his powers and given them to others. He's also brought an inorganic computer to life.
And, unlike Manhattan, he's evolved life on a planet (billions of years).
He has been shattered to atoms and reformed instantly too.
Creating life by creating the building blocks, that's a knowledge feat that Surfer would be capable of replicating, since he can write and rewrite dna too.
Alright, I stand corrected then.
I gotta say the good Dr doesn't have enough feats to really do anything. His implied power of super godhood came because he was the only superpowered person in his entire universe as far as we know.
He's just somebody who has an amazing powerset.
He did have a theoretical limit which would put him definitely below someone like Surfer but it's hard to really gauge this character.
Personally I wouldn't put him past Sersi level at the very best.
Originally posted by janus77The first time I recall Surfer teleporting was when he used it to escape Quasimodo's grasp. Vaguely I recall him teleporting maybe once or twice more over the years. I think it's a power writers stay away from, otherwise, how do you justify Surfer wasting time flying.
Teleportation, I can't honestly remember off the top of my head, but the others he has done for definite.
Anyways...
It was always my impression that the Dr. Manhattan we witnessed in Watchman was a nascent state, with great power and potential implied, ie, that fully developed, Manhattan would be truly godlike. As such: Superman could likely defeat the Manhattan we witnessed but not the one implied. This would hold for Surfer as well: Soarin' Norrin could easily defeat Manhattan as depicted, but again: my impression was that Manhattan-as-depicted was a newbie but his potential would render him nigh unbeatable.
It comes down to whether you stick with what's shown on panel, or logically infer ability from the nature of the powerset, especially open powersets. As I like to say, we've never seen Superman pee, but if someone claimed he could take out a satellite with his superstream, I wouldn't debate it.