Classic Juggernaut vs Demon Colossonaut

This is Classic Jugs vs Demon Colossonaut...the one that fought Red Hulk and almost destroyed Utopia.

Who wins? No bfring.

Cain. Easily.

And, without any whining.

Didn't Cytorrak say colossus has access to more power?

If true there's no arguement

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Didn't Cytorrak say colossus has access to more power?

If true there's no arguement

And thus begins the argument between feats vs context. Which one do we follow?

Context?

With nothing else to base it on you have to assume

Either

A: Colossus > Cain
Or
B: Cytorrak is lying to himself in his mind

Or he's realised that Piotr is a crybaby, and is trying to big him up lol.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Context?

With nothing else to base it on you have to assume

Either

A: Colossus > Cain
Or
B: Cytorrak is lying to himself in his mind

If we followed that rule though, everything said in comics would have to be treated as gospel. Even Spidey's tale of Sentry pushing back Galactus. When do we decide to accept one canon event over the next? I mean how do we decipher what to believe?

When its proved false
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Originally posted by pym-ftw
When its proved false
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but when was it proven to be false?

Your burdened with needing to prove it false

Cytorrak stated he gave more power to colossus, so unless Cytorrak lost power somewhere down the line....

Granted Cain being a "bad guy" was more destructive and has many years more feats...

Spidey talking about Sentry can be seen as hyperbole. But Cytorrak whose power it is stated that he gave more to Colossus. So he should have more power than Cain, plain and simple.

If I can bestow super powers and I give one guy fire powers and the other the ability to hear colors, and then I say. Yeah, fire guy is more powerful. You should take me at my word because I bestowed the powers.

Demon colossus isn't getting past classic juggernauts forcefields. Cain beats him to sleep and shows him what being juggernauts all about.

Originally posted by KingD19
Spidey talking about Sentry can be seen as hyperbole. But Cytorrak whose power it is stated that he gave more to Colossus. So he should have more power than Cain, plain and simple.

If I can bestow super powers and I give one guy fire powers and the other the ability to hear colors, and then I say. Yeah, fire guy is more powerful. You should take me at my word because I bestowed the powers.

Or we can accept the idea that the Sentry pushed Galactus back, because it was written, and thus it is canon. The Sentry has been shown to operate on different levels depending on his psyche, so who can say that the time that he pushed Galactus back was not him operating on a higher level?

BTW, there's no need to explain further, because I understand both you and Pym. I was just making an example of selective reading pertaining to context, and when it should be taken for what it is and when it isn't. The fact is that it was never proven that the Sentry did not push Galactus back, and that it should be taken into account that the Void whom Sentry beat and tossed into the sun, was not budged by a team that would have given Galactus hell. After all a weakened Galactus, or hungry Galactus was pushed back by a far weaker team than the one that could not budge the Void. Crazy huh?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Demon colossus isn't getting past classic juggernauts forcefields. Cain beats him to sleep and shows him what being juggernauts all about.

Same could be said about Classic Juggs not having enough strength to overcome Demon Colossus' durability. I say infinite stalemate if anything as we don't know just what Big C meant when he said that.

And true enough, Stoic. True enough.

Hard to say , Demon Colossus was slapping Rulk around like Zeus - Hulk.

Classic Juggs on the other hand was as durable as one can get.

A stalemate is the most realistic outcome.

How would Classic Juggs do against Rulk in a comic?

If most you think he would flat out manhandle and punk Rulk, then this is a fight. If it would be a long fight where both parties are treated as equals then Colossus wins.

Colossus might have access to more power but would have to go on a rampage so vile and destructive, that even Mephisto stops and says "damn that's just wrong", to get it.

No. Just be in a fight. He wasn't doing anything but fighting with Rulk when his demon form manifested. If he's fight Cain, he'll amp up. Hell, he's already in demon mode for this fight.

Demon Colossus has basically one showing. Manhandling Rulk in a one sided battle. He is clearly shown be written above Rulk by a fair margin in terms of strength and durability.

Where was is said that Cyttorak gave Piotr more power?