Superman vs Flash, GL, Batman

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Wasn't the only reason Superman tagged him because he flicked his finger after missing a punch, which Flash wasn't expecting at all? Extending his reach and all that.

Been a while since I seen it, but Batman wins.

Originally posted by Philosophía
So Superman extends his punch, stops it right in front of Flash's face, flicks his finger and exerts enough control not to split his head in half, and yet that's less impressive than..tagging him?

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It's plain as day to me the scene was meant to show Superman is slower than the Flash, but NOT THAT MUCH SLOWER.

Flash was actively avoiding Superman. Superman went to punch him and it looked like he WOULD HAVE PUNCHED HIM....If he had wanted to, but instead he flicked him. Downplay it all you want, it's a great speed feat for DCnU Supes.

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It clearly looks like Superman swung his fully extended arm - meaning he didn't pull a punch or that he could tag him with a normal punch. He didn't stop the motion of his punch going forward because his arm wasn't going in that direction - it was going sideways. He stopped the motion of his already fully extended arm, there was still a finger's length of distance between his arm and Flash, and he took advantage of that.

I mean, why would he pull a punch after trying to punch him for two pages?

He is obviously fast enough to be able to react to Flash - the flick being proof of that - but he's most definitely slower and didn't punch him because he couldn't. I don't see that as "downplaying" Superman in any way. In my opinion he would have dominated that fight if it had continued with the three of them being nothing but paste.

Clearly there's about 5 people in this thread who disagree with you. It clearly looked to me like he had timed it to stop his punch right before Flash's face and then flick him. Clearly.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Clearly there's about 5 people in this thread who disagree with you. It clearly looked to me like he had timed it to stop his punch right before Flash's face and then flick him. Clearly.

Look who the people are that disagrees with him.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Who do u think wins this fight, Pr?

In a forum setting the three should win. In that comic though, Superman did seem like he was going to be hard to put down.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
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It clearly looks like Superman swung his fully extended arm - meaning he didn't pull a punch or that he could tag him with a normal punch. He didn't stop the motion of his punch going forward because his arm wasn't going in that direction - it was going sideways. He stopped the motion of his already fully extended arm, there was still a finger's length of distance between his arm and Flash, and he took advantage of that.

I mean, why would he pull a punch after trying to punch him for two pages?

He is obviously fast enough to be able to react to Flash - the flick being proof of that - but he's most definitely slower and didn't punch him because he couldn't. I don't see that as "downplaying" Superman in any way. In my opinion he would have dominated that fight if it had continued with the three of them being nothing but paste.

Except that to me, it looked like he stopped his punch before it collided with Flash's face. When you swing your am back in that direction, it can go further, so why did he stop?

I'm not accusing you of anything; the page is open to interpretation.

Originally posted by carver9
Look who the people are that disagrees with him.

Don't even try it.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
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It clearly looks like Superman swung his fully extended arm - meaning he didn't pull a punch or that he could tag him with a normal punch. There was still a finger's length of distance and he took advantage of that.

I mean, why would he pull a punch after trying to punch him for two pages?

He is obviously fast enough to be able to react to Flash - the flick being proof of that - but he's most definitely slower and didn't punch him because he couldn't. I don't see that as "downplaying" Superman in any way. In my opinion he would have dominated that fight if it had continued with the three of them being nothing but paste.

I hope I don't have to elaborate on it, because it would be idiotic.

On the other hand, we have your position, which is that Superman wanted to punch Flash straight in the face, missed but somehow managed to stop his fist right in front of Flash's face (who was looking at him this whole time), and flick him away carefully enough not to disfigure him, eventough, by your accounts, he was looking to fist him in the face a literal fraction of a second earlier.

I know you like Flash, but your position is illogical.

Superman wins and he could have won that fight.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Clearly there's about 5 people in this thread who disagree with you. It clearly looked to me like he had timed it to stop his punch right before Flash's face and then flick him. Clearly.

People are gonna interpret how they want but the point is no matter how you interpret it Flash was clearly faster and messing around. Though I think at that point flash would have worn out before causing any damage to superman so superman would have won that fight.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Except that to me, it looked like he stopped his punch before it collided with Flash's face. When you swing your am back in that direction, it can go further, so why did he stop?

Mind you, Superman still has tons of power doing anything, but it doesn't mean he automatically pulled his punch, since that's pretty much the angle where you pretty much have no power.

He still tagged him, so there's that. And I think he would tag him anyway eventually without that, but that feat doesn't really mean much outside Flash has pretty shitty durability. It's more of those "haha cute" things IMO. And with Superman's J-Biebish hair, it doesn't get much cuter than that.

Lol...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Because you lose all your power when you swing behind your body, unless you're moving with it. Plus it's stupid as hell.
There's a reason Brock Lesnar was laughed at for throwing a standing hammer fist at Cain in that fight.

Mind you, Superman still has tons of power doing anything, but it doesn't mean he automatically pulled his punch, since that's pretty much the angle where you pretty much have no power.

He still tagged him, so there's that. And I think he would tag him anyway eventually without that, but that feat doesn't really mean much outside Flash has pretty shitty durability. It's more of those "haha cute" things IMO. And with Superman's J-Biebish hair, it doesn't get much cuter than that.

So you think he swung back as far as he was able?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

He still tagged him, so there's that. And I think he would tag him anyway eventually without that, but that feat doesn't really mean much outside Flash has pretty shitty durability.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
So you think he swung back as far as he was able?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Except that to me, it looked like he stopped his punch before it collided with Flash's face. When you swing your am back in that direction, it can go further, so why did he stop?

I'm not accusing you of anything; the page is open to interpretation.

Here is where I think the disconnect, between you and I at least, exists.

We both agree that he stopped his punch on purpose. However, we disagree as to why. I feel that he would have clearly missed - and he would have had to twist his body to go through the full range of motion of the punch. In my scenario he stopped because he realized he wouldn't be able to hit him via punching him - so he "extended" his reach with the finger flick.

You think he would have hit the Flash's face and that is why he stopped. In my opinion, they were moving in a circular motion with the Flash getting closer (for hitting) and farther away (for dodging). I think the flash was in the middle of a dodging sequence when Superman flicked him - there was just enough space for Flash to dodge the punch (which is what he was expecting) but not enough to dodge the flick (which he was not expecting).

And I know you're not accusing me PR. We can have a disagreement without name calling or insulting.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I know you like Flash, but your position is illogical.

I don't like or dislike Flash. And not really.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I think he swung as far back as was natural. Look at the way he swung. He pretty much just extended his elbow. Doing that, you don't get very far before you stop.
Which was smarter than giving it a full swing since there's less recovery needed and less tell involved, and it obviously... worked.

Originally posted by Blair Wind

I don't like or dislike Flash. And not really.

And yes really.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I agree, it's just a coincidence that Superman's fist (the one he apparently wanted to use on Flash's face) stopped right in front of Barry's face, a flick away.

But anyway, Superman was hitting him with anything at sometime. I think when the punch missed, he figured, "what the ****, this honky is getting hit with something"

At least IMO

Originally posted by Philosophía
I agree, it's just a coincidence that Superman's fist (the one he apparently wanted to use on Flash's face) stopped right in front of Barry's face, a flick away.

I know you for the guy who has a hard on for Iron Man and Flash, and is apparently tough shit in the tournaments. Pretty sure I'm right.

And yes really.

Change Flash for Green Lantern and that's me.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
What if the fight in JLA 2 had gone until one side was KO'ed? Who would have won?

DCnU Superman

vs

DCnU Hal, Flash and Batman

superman stomps