Originally posted by Newjaki guess odin's powers might be considered a mixture of magical and divine energies, but yeah, it doesn't matter. alice took all of spectre's powers without even pausing-- and it doesn't get more magical/divine then that.
I figured this was gonna come up 😛Isn't a lot of Odin's powers considered divine and wouldn't be recreated by Black Alice
Or does it not matter with her?
Originally posted by Galan007Didn't the Spectre win that fight though?
i guess odin's powers might be considered a mixture of magical and divine energies, but yeah, it doesn't matter. alice took all of spectre's powers without even pausing-- and it doesn't get more magical/divine then that.
Also wasn't he basically not being backed by his divine powers at the time and was only using magic?
But yeah the Spectre is magical/divine.
Originally posted by Newjakdue to extenuating circumstances, alice willingly gave spectre back his powers. the fact still remains that she had no problems taking them in the first place.
Didn't the Spectre win that fight though?Also wasn't he basically not being backed by his divine powers at the time and was only using magic?
But yeah the Spectre is magical/divine.
he was still divine/magical-- he just didn't have a host. that was the only difference.
i can't think of an instance in which she tried, and failed, to usurp a being's magical energies-- so as far as we know, she doesn't have any limitations. the fact that she took spectre's power with ease is further proof that she doesn't have a cap on her abilities. he is, after all, pretty much as powerful as a 'magical' being can be in dc (sans higher dimensional beings, of course.)
If anything, prior to the reboot, she got more powerful.
Originally, she was limited to nabbing powers from people nearby, but eventually, she was able to just jack powers from magical beings regardless of range. There were plenty of comics where Alice is using the powers of the Marvel Family or Alan Scott, and neither of them are anywhere present at al.
Originally posted by DigiProbably
If Alice can solo this, doesn't that technically invalidate the high herald limits in the OP? I realize she's baseline human and whatnot, but if she can amp on command to Skyafther+ levels, we're really not staying in the spirit of the thread.Flash's speed.
Wolverine's everything else./end
Originally posted by Digi
If Alice can solo this, doesn't that technically invalidate the high herald limits in the OP? I realize she's baseline human and whatnot, but if she can amp on command to Skyafther+ levels, we're really not staying in the spirit of the thread./end
I was gonna say the same thing.
Multiple Man's well multiplying Power
Flash Wally West's Speed and Reaction
Doom Intelligence and Mystic Knowledge
Sebastian Shaw's Absorbing Power
Classic Juggernaut Durability and Force Field
Sersi's Transmutation Power
Silver Surfer's Energy Manipulation Powers
Black Knight's Ebony Blade
I don't know if this person can win but at the very least I think they may have a fighting chance as long as Odin doesn't just think them out of existence 😛
Originally posted by Digi
If Alice can solo this, doesn't that technically invalidate the high herald limits in the OP? I realize she's baseline human and whatnot, but if she can amp on command to Skyafther+ levels, we're really not staying in the spirit of the thread.Flash's speed.
Wolverine's everything else./end
Dude, you took Flash's power set! Who's talking about "high herald"?. 😛
The thing is, I never said Alice has to power jack Odin. 😉
With her powers, she can basically jack anyone she wants. She's proven she can jack multiple mages at the same time.
Filling up the other 9 open slots just makes it unfair.
But, for the sake of argument, what if I fill the second slot with....
Duplicate Boy's power set.
Restricted to "high herald leveler" power sets, of course. Which are all capable of stacking.
Originally posted by cdtmYou are restricted to ten Herald level powers.
Dude, you took Flash's power set! Who's talking about "high herald"?. 😛The thing is, I never said Alice has to power jack Odin. 😉
With her powers, she can basically jack anyone she wants. She's proven she can jack multiple mages at the same time.
Filling up the other 9 open slots just makes it unfair.
But, for the sake of argument, what if I fill the second slot with....
Duplicate Boy's power set.
Restricted to "high herald leveler" power sets, of course. Which are all capable of stacking.
Also if you use Black Alice's power to jack multiple Herald level being's powers than that makes her greater than Herald Level by default because that her singular power is giving her greater than high herald ability.
I think you'll be hard pressed to find a group of ten herald level beings capable of taking down an Odin that isn't holding back.
Originally posted by Newjak
You are restricted to ten Herald level powers.Also if you use Black Alice's power to jack multiple Herald level being's powers than that makes her greater than Herald Level by default because that her singular power is giving her greater than high herald ability.
Technically, a lot of high herald levelers can perform beyond high herald level, though.
Thor being a prominent example. His hammer can hurt characters above the high herald tier, yet he's considered a high herald level character.
Than, there's Hal "Krona Busting" Jordan.
Pointing that out, mainly because there's a character who's not Black Alice or Duplicate Boy who I think would be perfect in a ten man team, but he channels the power of The Presence.. He's resisted and returned divine energy in battle with Spectre. Yet, he also got taken down by common debris, when Spectre decides to use the battlefield against him...
So, would he be viable here?
Originally posted by cdtmYeah but there is a difference in that Black Alice can Jack Magical powers of beings above High Herald which makes her above High Herald imo.
Technically, a lot of high herald levelers can perform beyond high herald level, though.Thor being a prominent example. His hammer can hurt characters above the high herald tier, yet he's considered a high herald level character.
Than, there's Hal "Krona Busting" Jordan.
Pointing that out, mainly because there's a character who's not Black Alice or Duplicate Boy who I think would be perfect in a ten man team, but he channels the power of The Presence.. He's resisted and returned divine energy in battle with Spectre. Yet, he also got taken down by common debris, when Spectre decides to use the battlefield against him...
So, would he be viable here?
Even if all you did was restrict her to only taking powers from High Herald level characters the accumulation of that still pushes her past High herald cause she is still only using her power to get that strong.
As for the one guy you were thinking of.
Imo if you can destroy a universe but can be knocked out by a rock then you are still way above High Herald in terms of power.
I'm just using an extreme case to demonstrate that point. Ultimately it's up to the OP.
Who were you thinking of using by the way?
Originally posted by Newjak
Imo if you can destroy a universe but can be knocked out by a rock then you are still way above High Herald in terms of power.
Dr. Strange? He's considered high herald, isn't he? Yet taps into far higher powers.
The character I'm thinking of is in the same vein: Ramban. Created by John Ostrander, in his Spectre series. Think of him as an Israeli version of Dr. Strange, who instead of tapping into multiple higher powers, taps into THE higher power.
It lets him resist Spectres power, and perform feats of his own, but he hasn't shown the ability to destroy universes or anything like that.. I figure his power would at least let him resist Odins magic, and distract him long enough for his team to work on taking him down..