Originally posted by juggermanPhantom Zone Zod cut through Superman "easily" as well. Just to give you an idea of what that feat means. People forget this so easily.
Good point. But Prime's HV cut thru Superman easily and Prime was weakened when this happened. Unless you want to argue that WBH's durability> Superman's durability then Prime could easily cut Hulk in half right?
Sorry about the long delay..
Originally posted by The Sorrow
It's okay let the hate flow through you.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Strange doesn't say anywhere that Hulk specifically is going to die. He froze time after the huge collision and was even talking to Bruce Banner while everyone else had been destroyed, it seriously couldn't get much clearer that. If everything needs to be spoon fed to you to such a degree it's a wonder how you make it through a whole comicbook without losing your marbles. [/B]
Originally posted by The Sorrow
He froze time after the huge collision and was even talking to Bruce Banner while everyone else had been destroyed, it seriously couldn't get much clearer that. [/B]
Now where are the monsters, where is the planet and where is the HULK fighting betty?
Originally posted by The Sorrow
If everything needs to be spoon fed to you to such a degree it's a wonder how you make it through a whole comicbook without losing your marbles. [/B]
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk was still alive after the blast. How can Hulks own attack kill him, especially when again, we see him without a scratch in the heart of the blast.
Originally posted by DiesldudeYou're saying that in this scene during the time stop, at the moment of impact, when the planet is clearly being obliterated and everyone incinerated:
This is never in dispute, he did freeze time after the collision which at the time was destroying the planet, the planet wasn’t destroyed, you saw that in 634, it was getting destroyed and beings of lesser durability were starting to die. Page 4 and 5 in 635 had the same instance of the hulk getting punched from Betty but from a different angle while they were held in a time stop proving that the time stop had prevented them from showing them getting destroyed. Once the time stop was released what do you have?
That Hulk and Betty also died because of the impact? You do see them in the heart of it completely unfazed, right?
Even setting that aside, you seem to be begging the question here. If they didn't die, where were they? Well... where else would they be other than floating in space among the debris like Umar was? I'm not sure why you expect them to be right next to Umar on the same exact piece of rock she is standing on. Instead of, say in a few panels, where Hulk standing on a piece of his own debris as the planet is being reformed.
I already showed you Hulk without a scratch on him during the initial attack. If he wasn't damaged in the heart of the attack when everything was destroyed, why would he have died during the end? Why would his own attack even kill him. He didn't have not a injury on him during this attack, so when did the same attack that didn't harm him get the chance to kill him? Never happened.
Originally posted by ODG
You're saying that in this scene during the time stop, at the moment of impact, when the planet is clearly being obliterated and everyone incinerated:That Hulk and Betty also died because of the impact? You do see them in the heart of it completely unfazed, right?
Even setting that aside, you seem to be begging the question here. If they didn't die, where were they? Well... where else would they be other than floating in space among the debris like Umar was? I'm not sure why you expect them to be right next to Umar on the same exact piece of rock she is standing on. Instead of, say in a few panels, where Hulk standing on a piece of his own debris as the planet is being reformed.
The scan you posted, i already explained that the planet was in the process of getting destroyed and the monsters with lesser durability. Hulk and Betty have greater durability and were still alive and fighting when strange performed the time stamp. BEtty was in the process of connecting with a punch which was shown from a different angle. It's like Non-stochastic effects from exposure to high levels of radiation. At that time they hadn't been destroyed yet and after the end result, the planet being destroyed, they showed umer and no one else. if hulk was with betty exchanging world breaking blows, they would have appeared as such. No such thing and as far as him appearing in a few panels later, Amadeou Cho was shown before that and he had died too. Don't get me wrong, tt was a great feat i am not taking anything away from it by saying that hulk died.
^ I do not understand what you think killed Hulk and Betty since it wasn't the actual impact, nor the planet exploding... since... y'know... it's exploding and killing everybody else and not them... as they're completely unfazed.
Art choices aside, I find it equally inexplicable why you insist that Hulk and Betty be shown in the same exact panel that Umar is in. I don't understand the reason that you must conclude that there is no way for them to be just off-panel in a slightly different location... which is kinda what was shown when Hulk is there on a piece of debris as the planet is reforming in the very next panels after Umar is shown.
We see everybody else die. Multiple times. From multiple angles as Hulk and Betty first clash and as they continue to fight. Not once do we see Hulk and Betty hurt in the slightest in any of those panels. We even see them, in the heart of the catastrophe that is obliterating the planet, completely unfazed.
I don't care what insinuation of an agenda you're trying to shed off. Your reasoning makes no sense. We lose sight of Hulk and Betty (right after we know that they're completely unfazed in the heart of destruction) and we assume that they must have been obliterated (even though we just saw them completely unharmed)?
Think about this: absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
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I've made my point its not my fault people are too blind to understand it. Hulk and betty were showing multiple time from different angles but it was the same punch because they were *FROZEN* The time stop halted everything including Hulk.
Hulk was fighting with Betty before the planet exploded then why was he casually walking towards her after umer, amadeous and he reappeared? shouldnt they have been fighting still? You think i am pushing some kind of an agenda? This is more like the insecurities hulk fanboys have been experiencing in this thread. I call it as I see it.
We have a planet explode with only Umer shown, if hulk was alive, he would have been shown to rid doubt on message boards and as previously mentioned by a hulk fan because Pak cares about what is posted on message boards.
Hulk fighting against betty before and during the blast, is then casually walking towards betty after the wishing well starts to resurrect and restore.
We have strange breaking the 4th wall because pak cares about what is posted on message boards when strange says that they will die, resurrect and fight again. How much clearer can it get? They fought, they died, they get resurrected, hulk calmly walks back into the fight and they fight again. Cheese and crackers, It’s not like it’s a boxing match and they go back to their corner.
It’s like trying to get an atheist to believe in God, ignore all the signs but want to see a picture of a dead hulk.
Originally posted by DiesldudeYou haven't made a single point. You concede that during the destruction, Hulk and Betty were completely unharmed. Yet, you say that because the camera shifted over to Umar for two panels, they were completely destroyed??????
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I've made my point its not my fault people are too blind to understand it. Hulk and betty were showing multiple time from different angles but it was the same punch because they were *FROZEN* The time stop halted everything including Hulk.
Hulk was fighting with Betty before the planet exploded then why was he casually walking towards her after umer, amadeous and he reappeared? shouldnt they have been fighting still? You think i am pushing some kind of an agenda? This is more like the insecurities hulk fanboys have been experiencing in this thread. I call it as I see it.
We don't know how to prove to you that they were unhurt when we've already shown you panels where they're completely unhurt at the exact moment the destruction is occurring. Your stance is baffling. Equally baffling is your insistence that somehow, Hulk and Betty not being on the same piece of rock is evidence that they died. Maybe it's evidence that the battleground they were on was completely destroyed and they were floating around in slightly different places? I'm not sure why such a scenario must be completely beyond your imagination. After all, somehow in a comic where Hulk and Betty are shown to be completely unharmed, you imagine them dying off-panel horribly.
If anybody is going to talk about insecurity, it surely is you though. Because you have, quite literally, no evidence that Hulk and Betty died. We never see them die. We never see them hurt. Heck, we clearly see them not die. We clearly see them not hurt.
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If the Hulk and Betty were destroyed, he would not have a scratch on him when we see him next, just like the others who were destroyed came back as good as new. Can someone provide scans of him when he returns. I do not believe that he dies, and it's not the fan in me stating this, but the lack of actually seeing him burned alive as all of the rest were. To claim so adamantly that the Hulk and Betty died, without proof is ludicrous.
I’ve already explained myself multiple times,
If they wanted to portray the hulk surviving they would have shown it. They went through great lengths to explain the sequence, but we all have is collision, they get frozen in time, everything gets destroyed, they show the planet in bits with just umer from a distance. Hulk was 12’ tall, it’s funny we see umer but not him. We then see amadeous cho and then the hulk smiling while he walks back to the fight that he was supposedly already fighting while everyone else was dying and getting resurrected. Doesn’t take a genius to put 2 and 2 together.
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BTW, Rulk smiles after getting the ever loving shyt beat outta him. Thanos smiles after getting blasted near to death so why can’t the hulk smile while he dies doing what he love?
Originally posted by DiesldudeThat's pretty much the only thing you haven't done in this thread.
I’ve already explained myself multiple times,
Originally posted by DiesldudeYou mean, other than all the panels where it shows Hulk and Betty surviving. Actually... not just surviving, but completely unfazed. Okie dokie.
If they wanted to portray the hulk surviving they would have shown it.
Originally posted by DiesldudeThat we never see Hulk and Betty die, much less hurt. That we do see Hulk and Betty live and completely unhurt. It does actually take a special kind of genius to conclude that they died off-panel. Simply because the camera shifts view over to Umar for exposition for two panels????? Like I said: smart, really smart.
They went through great lengths to explain the sequence, but we all have is collision, they get frozen in time, everything gets destroyed, they show the planet in bits with just umer from a distance. Hulk was 12’ tall, it’s funny we see umer but not him. We then see amadeous cho and then the hulk smiling while he walks back to the fight that he was supposedly already fighting while everyone else was dying and getting resurrected. Doesn’t take a genius to put 2 and 2 together.
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