Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
Someone hates DC or superman it looks like
I dont hate superman or Dc. I just dont find Superman a very likable character.
and i was stating my opinion on the battles. Seems to me like your not to fond of marvel, how can one guy fight 4 guys who are on his level (if not higher) and win?
Well with my obvious lack of belief that sups can even use those claws he wins. IronMan is done. Juggs gets an A for effort but all he gets. Hulk gets shown that he is not the strongest there is.
EDIT: forgot about Thor lol. He is the biggest problem for superman. He has potential to defeat Superman.
Re: Superman vs Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, Juggernaut
Originally posted by keiththegreat
Juggernaut is classic Juggernaut
Hulk is current HUlkSuperman fights the team on Marvel Earth NYC
Superman has an adamantium skeleton just like wolverine with retractable claws. Everything else about Superman is the same.
Who wins?
Hulk gets clawed up bad.
Juggy gets BFRed.
Iron Man gets carved apart.
Thor gets some wins.
Don't forget, even without the claws, being punched by Superman with adamantium knuckle dusters? Ouchie.
And Hulk's also gotten more durable as a fight's gone on. It doesn't take any time for him to already become too durable to affect (as quite a few instances in WWH demonstrated).
He's already been shot through with adamantium bullets without any lasting effect, and he's also had an adamantium bullet bounce off his eyeball.
Superman isn't doing anything.
How is Superman going to cope with the adamantium poisoning? with the pain of the skeleton bonding, with the continual cutting of the blades?
I get the impression that this isn't really going to be a 'versus' fight, on one side there'll be a bunch of characters standing around, on the other Superman writhing on the floor, excruciating pain everywhere in his body...
He needs Wolverine's HF and experience with the pain.
You know Thor is also a multi time ftl combatant and can pretty much create HV/FB so arguing the versatility card for supes is a losing battle
Supes is faster, stronger, and has a higher level of invulnerablity
Thor is a better fighter, has more versatility, and a higher striking power
It can be argued either way, but the other guys tip the balance way to much
Originally posted by janus77
And Hulk's also gotten more durable as a fight's gone on. It doesn't take any time for him to already become too durable to affect (as quite a few instances in WWH demonstrated).He's already been shot through with adamantium bullets without any lasting effect, and he's also had an adamantium bullet bounce off his eyeball.
Superman isn't doing anything.
This.
Let's also not forget he had holes punched through him and healed near instantly.
I think the spirit of the OP is that the adamantium doesn't poison him and the claws can somehow retract through his fists. Also that Superman is willing to cut people to death. Otherwise this is a pretty stupid debate.
(I agree that all of that shouldn't be the case, but for the sake of argument I'll assume those 3 things to be true).
Originally posted by pym-ftw
You know Thor is also a multi time ftl combatant and can pretty much create HV/FB so arguing the versatility card for supes is a losing battleSupes is faster, stronger, and has a higher level of invulnerablity
Thor is a better fighter, has more versatility, and a higher striking power
It can be argued either way, but the other guys tip the balance way to much
I've never seen anything for Thor so suggest he has higher striking power than Superman. And it's not even close IMO. Like I said before, it's VERY generous to say Superman is twice as strong as Thor.
I'll say Thor is more versatile, assuming he uses it, but the most versatile he gets these days is using lightning. I'm not even 100% sure we can say he still has all of these esoteric powers like magnetism anymore. When's the last time he used something like that? I can think of 100s of times it would have come in handy.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
You know Thor is also a multi time ftl combatant and can pretty much create HV/FB so arguing the versatility card for supes is a losing battleSupes is faster, stronger, and has a higher level of invulnerablity
Thor is a better fighter, has more versatility, and a higher striking power
It can be argued either way, but the other guys tip the balance way to much
Originally posted by carver9
This.Let's also not forget he had holes punched through him and healed near instantly.
Originally posted by janus77
How is Superman going to cope with the adamantium poisoning? with the pain of the skeleton bonding, with the continual cutting of the blades?I get the impression that this isn't really going to be a 'versus' fight, on one side there'll be a bunch of characters standing around, on the other Superman writhing on the floor, excruciating pain everywhere in his body...
He needs Wolverine's HF and experience with the pain.
Originally posted by carver9Change the rules of this thread to give the hulk a better chance? If the adamantium is coating superman's skeleton loke wolverine's then it's another layer of protection. Super Claws is going to slice and dice some giant green troll. LOL
This.Let's also not forget he had holes punched through him and healed near instantly.
If this was PIS off and not taking place in a comic with all the usual restrictions on the fight, I honestly think this would end with Thor, Hulk, Iron Man dead, and without BFR, Juggernaut stalemated.
Iron Man would be cut apart in fractions of a second.
I'm afraid Thor would just get killed. He can be cut, and Silver Surfer fights or not, he can't really take on the sort of speed Superman demonstrates. This would be far worse than the Wolverine fight.
Hulk will likewise get sliced to pieces but it's more interesting - this is like Speedfreek x1000. How much superspeed punishment can he take? What would happen if Supes did a move like Space Hulk pulled on Space Deadpool in Space Punisher?
Take the insane DC level speed out of the equation or add the usual acceptable levels of PIS we see in the average comic, and the team should win handily.