Sentry vs Wonder Woman

I don't think Jake's argued that Diana can auto-lasso Sentry, only that if she's able to, it probably won't be something he could overcome given the characters that the lasso has restrained in the past.

"As I said, based on who it has worked on, should Diana manage to hog tie Sentry/Void and actively used its power of compulsion/soul searing on him, it should work.

She just has to be willing to go for such a method quickly or wind up getting decimated."

IOW, Void could very well kill Diana via molecular dispersion, or by tentacle rape (since we're going there, it seems) before she lassos him. However, he's screwed if she manages to do so.

Originally posted by Stoic
You may be putting too many eggs in one basket. What happens if she is unable to lasso him because of the beating that he gives her from the jump? You realize that that could possibly happen. The Sentry was not slow by any stretch of the imagination. In actuality the Sentry, and his wild powers make Diana look like a one trick pony in terms of versatility. I mean how would she counter being eradicated on the molecular level?

It's possible to happen, sure. But given Diana's showing against a bloodlusted albeit crazed Superman, I don't see Sentry faring much better than Kal did. If he goes full Void mode, then Diana is pretty much a goner barring a lucky lasso attempt, which is literally the only way she could beat Bob in that form.

In any case, I feel Diana vs. a competent normalish Sentry is a toss up, but Void wins the overwhelming majority against her.

Originally posted by Harbinger
I don't think Jake's argued that Diana can auto-lasso Sentry, only that if she's able to, it probably won't be something he could overcome given the characters that the lasso has restrained in the past.

"As I said, based on who it has worked on, should Diana manage to hog tie Sentry/Void and actively used its power of compulsion/soul searing on him, it should work.

She just has to be willing to go for such a method quickly or wind up getting decimated."

👆 Exactly.

Barring lasso tricks, Diana can't beat Bob at his most powerful.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's possible to happen, sure. But given Diana's showing against a bloodlusted albeit crazed Superman, I don't see Sentry faring much better than Kal did. If he goes full Void mode, then Diana is pretty much a goner barring a lucky lasso attempt, which is literally the only way she could beat Bob in that form.

In any case, I feel Diana vs. a competent normalish Sentry is a toss up, but Void wins the overwhelming majority against her.

I can dig it. 👆

I'm thinking over what the most powerful version or versions of Wonder Woman would be.

Coming to mind presently are

1) Wonder Woman, under John Byrne, with the Gauntlets of Atlas, where she shattered a specialized, continually-increasing-in-power Doomsday clone with one punch.

2) Wonder Woman, empowered by the Godwave, as she fought against Rama, who, if memory serves correctly, had the power of the Hindu Pantheon flowing through him. I believe that was the run of Phil Jimenez, but I'd have to check.

3) Wonder Woman, during and after Gail Simone's WW#39.
Not necessarily any more powerful than her normal portrayal of HERSELF during that time, this issue apparently introduced her ability to create or channel Zeus' lightning from her bracelets.

I'd be interested to know how Sentry, even Voidtry, would fare against THAT particular weapon in her arsenal. If indeed that is Zeus' lightning, and it certainly is magic regardless of whether it truly is Zeus' actual bolt or not, it should theoretically have the same top-tier leveling effect as Zeus' Marvel counterpart.

This has some discussion-worthy implications.
For instance, Maestro, an incarnation of the Hulk that had gone insane, was blasted to pieces by a special atom bomb. He eventually reformed from that. World Breaker Hulk, a current form of Hulk, and theoretically one powerful enough to endure that blast and remain whole, was nonetheless struck down when he went against Greg Pak's Zeus.
Skyfather weapons, I have been told relatively recently, outrank even molecule-rearrangers ability to lightly overcome.

So I could see Diana's lightning attack as a 2nd method beside her conventional lasso of taking Voidtry down. She already did so to a being who echoes the overall meme of Void in Cottus, after all...

At his highest levels of power, Void/Voidtry was all but uneffected by physical damage. Yes, he could be damaged and have his flesh and muscles burned off of him, but he would simply regenerate the damage done to him or function regardless of his wounds. Physical trauma/force in of itself I can't see putting Bob down.

The aegis bracelets with Zeus' lightning, I see having a greater effect, but ultimately failing. The collective might of the Avengers + Norn Stones were hurting the Void and presumably were dealing significant damage, but I can't see Diana mustering firepower greater than or equal to the likes of Thor and company or being able to deal enough damage to Void to trigger his transformation back to powerless Bob on her own.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
At his highest levels of power, Void/Voidtry was all but uneffected by physical damage. Yes, he could be damaged and have his flesh and muscles burned off of him, but he would simply regenerate the damage done to him or function regardless of his wounds. Physical trauma/force in of itself I can't see putting Bob down.

The aegis bracelets with Zeus' lightning, I see having a greater effect, but ultimately failing. The collective might of the Avengers + Norn Stones were hurting the Void and presumably were dealing significant damage, but I can't see Diana mustering firepower greater than or equal to the likes of Thor and company or being able to deal enough damage to Void to trigger his transformation back to powerless Bob on her own.

Yeah, you're nearly EXACTLY describing the case of Cottus.
Physical damage, even extensive physical damage from someone stronger than Cottus (Wonder Woman) proved absolutely ineffective, fight was raging even with numerous allies possessing a host of magic weapons, Wondy slinging him around after lassoing him and STILL having little or no effect ...

Zeus' lightning took the thing down, though, even as I imagine Odin himself could probably take down solo a group The Avengers, including even Thor, could not contend with together.

Like I said, though, I really don't know DC Zeus' standing on these forums and thus how his weapons would fare against The Void.

I'll post the following images all the same, though.

Most people don't actually know that Simone gave Diana this power before the end of her run ...

Image 2 of 7.

Notice that, even struggling for breath underwater, Diana has more than enough strength to rip Cottus apart ...

... but that it does almost no discernible lasting damage to the monster.

If anything, it makes the battle harder ...

... until Diana not only employs her lasso ...

(Image 4 of 7)

... and slams Cottus around a bit ...

... but also takes the time to retrieve her bracelets and employ the aforementioned magic lightning.

THAT finally takes Cottus out --

Yeah, Simone's run was pretty cool.

There's nothing that Diana displayed with that power up that leads me to believe her lightning would be significantly more powerful than that of Thor's, which was ineffective until the Norn Stones came into play. Once Void had been through the ringer, he was able to BFR him forcibly and wound up killing him, but that was due to Loki running interference and the aid of the other present Avengers (and a helicarrier to boot).

Diana's Aegis apparently held the Power of Zeus in them, but that's completely different than Zeus himself throwing his power behind his attacks, imo. Captain Marvel's lightning is the direct byproduct of Zeus (the "Z" in SHAZAM!) but I don't think his amped fists or repeated Shazam bolts would do much more than Thor's lightning, either.

And while intimidating, Cottus doesn't really have the feats to put it on the same level as Void.

... and Zeus himself explains why this is so.

(Image 7 of 7.)

Diana versus Cottus
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Source: Wonder Woman #39, Volume 3
Writer: Gail Simone
Penciller: Aaron Lopresti
Date: February 2010
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wonder_Woman_Vol_3_39

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Diana's Aegis apparently held the Power of Zeus in them, but that's completely different than Zeus himself throwing his power behind his attacks, imo. Captain Marvel's lightning is the direct byproduct of Zeus (the "Z" in SHAZAM!) but I don't think his amped fists or repeated Shazam bolts would do much more than Thor's lightning, either.

And while intimidating, Cottus doesn't really have the feats to put it on the same level as Void.

Don't know if you're right or not, Cottus I thought of because of his outward physical resemblance to Void, his ability to render physical damage against him virtually useless, and the necessity of special tools or strategy to beat him. For that matter, Diana's Pantheon has indeed lent their own power to her, or the source of it (it's called the Godwave, as mentioned before, and it was loaned to her, by, of ALL people, Ares, Master of War), and her equipment has proven able to contend with their power, such as when she deflects the combined might of ALL of them shooting her at once, back in Perez's run.

Glad you mentioned Captain Marvel.
Think I've seen it mentioned that he actually has a different DC Pantheon back of him, the Roman version of the set, as opposed to Diana's own.
But I was thinking of him as a remarkable illustration of the Lasso's power, perhaps none more striking than the following:

Captain Marvel versus The WonderLasso.

(Green Arrow versus William Batson Jr.)

Image 2 of 3.

Captain Marvel versus WonderLasso.

(Green Harrow versus Billy Batson)

Image 3 of 3.

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Source: JLA/JSA Virtue and Vice
Writer: Geoff Johns
Penciller: Carlos Pacheco
Date: December 2002
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/JLA/JSA:_Virtue_and_Vice

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Simone's run was pretty cool.

Simone wasn't bad; she certainly tried to foster a relationship with her fans. She also upped the ante on Diana's durability.

I don't have the comic where Wondy seems surprised that an arrow was able to hurt her, and realizes it was only able to do so because it was treated with powerful magic, a complete contrast of her durability versus specifically edged weapons to that point but I DO have an ep of her enduring a collision on the point of some mystical, multi-ton beasts TEETH as it slams her into an oncoming subway train ...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13965394

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Source: Wonder Woman #40, Volume 3
Writer: Gail Simone
Penciller: Aaron Lopresti
Date: March 2010
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wonder_Woman_Vol_3_40

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Simone wasn't bad; she certainly tried to foster a relationship with her fans. She also upped the ante on Diana's durability.

I don't have the comic where Wondy seems surprised that an arrow was able to hurt her, and realizes it was only able to do so because it was treated with powerful magic, a complete contrast of her durability versus specifically edged weapons to that point but I DO have an ep of her enduring a collision on the point of some mystical, multi-ton beasts TEETH as it slams her into an oncoming subway train ...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13965394

It wouldn't happen to be Amazon's Attack would it? The arrows in that were taking out fighter jets. 🙄

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, Simone's run was pretty cool.

There's nothing that Diana displayed with that power up that leads me to believe her lightning would be significantly more powerful than that of Thor's, which was ineffective until the Norn Stones came into play. Once Void had been through the ringer, he was able to BFR him forcibly and wound up killing him, but that was due to Loki running interference and the aid of the other present Avengers (and a helicarrier to boot).

Plus - you know - by the writers own account it only worked because Sentry allowed it too...