Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You still need feats to argue for Superman; his status as Superman doesn't fly for reasoning why he'd win.In any case, DCnU Superman does win, imo, due to the totality of his powerset. It's not a stomp though.
That'll work.
DCnU is ............ well it needs some work.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You still need feats to argue for Superman; his status as Superman doesn't fly for reasoning why he'd win.
This.
Feats determine all.
I'm not going to go off sentiment and say Superman beats Ben "heart force" Grimm if his feats are lower.
You must do this as objectively as possible.
...Unfortunately, when one does so for Superman, it means bad things for certain other characters in rival companies. 😱
Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
Lol just using same logic.Point is, DC is not gonna nerf Supes to below Grey Hulk level.
Dont know what logic that is but its not mine lol.
Superman was rebooted. Not nerfed. Its not the same suprman.
Without feats we cany determine a character like supermans power. The crazy feats that he had which are far and beyond hulks power are not transferred to this one.
Originally posted by carver9
Grey Hulk stomps. He just took out the Avengers and threw a pyramid like it was candy while one shotting Wonderman. If fts is all that matter, I don't understand how anyone can go against this.
Grey Hulk is millions of times too slow to do anything, by feats, which is all that matters.
Deal with it.
And, breaking Hal's constructs > breaking Grey Hulk's skin.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Grey Hulk is millions of times too slow to do anything, by feats, which is all that matters.Deal with it.
And, breaking Hal's constructs > breaking Grey Hulk's skin.
Breaking an asteroid twice the size of earth>>>>>>>>anything this Supes has done. One shotting Wonderman>>>>>>>>anything this Supes has done. This Superman WILL GET HIT.
Originally posted by carver9
Breaking an asteroid twice the size of earth>>>>>>>>anything this Supes has done. One shotting Wonderman>>>>>>>>anything this Supes has done. This Superman WILL GET HIT.
Getting a boost to break a large, not so cohesive object at its fault lines at the center, means what exactly?
Wonderman <<<<<<< Hal Jordan. By far.
Prove he hits him. Despite being so slow, it actually makes Ali vs this guy actually look competitive speed wise;
That's what Ali did with a maybe 25 to 50% at best, reflex advantage. Let alone thousands to millions of times better.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Getting a boost to break a large, not so cohesive object at its fault lines at the center, means what exactly?Wonderman <<<<<<< Hal Jordan. By far.
Prove he hits him. Despite being so slow, it actually makes Ali vs this guy actually look competitive speed wise;
That's what Ali did with a maybe 25 to 50% at best, reflex advantage. Let alone thousands to millions of times better.
In a KMC fight, would Surfer use energy drain against Superman 10/10.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Hulk will only hit him if Superman allows him too.Not because Hulk has the ability to do so.
His fate is entirely in Superman's hands.
He'll hit him because Superman won't use his speed until he has to.
Originally posted by carver9
In a KMC fight, would Surfer use energy drain against Superman 10/10.
Not nearly the same thing.