"Puff" the Magic Dragon runs a gauntlet (AvX spoilers)

"Puff" is full grown and angry (see AvX 10). Fight takes place in a Petco in upstate NY. He's fully healed after each round, how far does he get?

1) Thor
2) the Full Phoenix Force
3) Thanos
4) Odin
5) Galactus
6) Exitar
7) Nekron
8) LT

"Puff's" fights and feats :

Spoiler:
Centuries ago, defeated the FULL Phoenix Force when it was on Earth. Even as a child, his fire breath was strong enough to cause Cyclops with 1/2 of the FULL PF severe pain.

I say he stops at 4.

His name's Shao Lao . Not "Puff" .

Originally posted by zopzop
"Puff" is full grown and angry (see AvX 10). Fight takes place in a Petco in upstate NY. He's fully healed after each round, how far does he get?

1) Thor
2) the Full Phoenix Force
3) Thanos
4) Odin
5) Galactus
6) Exitar
7) Nekron
8) LT

I say he stops at 4.

I haven't seen the comic. How BIG is Puff? If we're talking Midgard Serpent size, and certainly if Puff is the equivalent of the Midgard Serpent of Asgardian legend, then even Odin might get cleared.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
His name's Shao Lao . Not "Puff" .

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I haven't seen the comic. How BIG is Puff? If we're talking Midgard Serpent size, and certainly if Puff is the equivalent of the Midgard Serpent of Asgardian legend, then even Odin might get cleared.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, that's terrific. Thanks for that bit of info. Now tell me where you think Puffy stops if he's an adult and going all out (healed fully after each fight).

I don't think size matters when it comes to beings of this level of power. But to tell you the truth, Puffy's full size was never mentioned.

This mere avatar of Lord Rand is more then enough to handle universal powers. He makes it to LT and decides not to fight another avatar.

@Lek Kuen
How would Puffy get pass Odin though? Couldn't Odin use his time manip powers and regress Puffy to a baby then beat him? IMHO, it wouldn't even come to that. Odinforce > Puffyforce.

Stops at 8.

Originally posted by zopzop
@Lek Kuen
How would Puffy get pass Odin though? Couldn't Odin use his time manip powers and regress Puffy to a baby then beat him? IMHO, it wouldn't even come to that. Odinforce > Puffyforce.

The dragons chi exists within all things, it is an endless sea of life with no beginning or end that exists within the center of the one true God; Lord Rand. So it stands to reason that since the baby was born from Rand's divine energy it too would be filled with his sea of power and be immune to the affects of time and simply Fist Odin.

Preach on, brother.

Can somebody help me out here?

I've actually been away from the X-books for the better part of a decade. For all the comic shops in my area either relocated, stopped carrying Marvel and DC in favor of Indies or role-playing game paraphenelia, or went out of business.

Then, through various forums, I drifted toward DC and stayed there.
Last time I'd actually been able to buy and actual X-Men comic, though:

Jean and Scott were husband and wife.

Emma Frost was headmistress of Generation X (I have no idea how she went from villain to headmistress, but I suppose it's no stranger than Magneto becoming headmaster of Xavier's Academy)

The Phoenix had gone from being Jean, to its own entity, to Jean with ONE empowering being inside her.

Magneto had died.

What in the world HAPPENED??

I don't see Jean anywhere. Like, anywhere.
Scott and EMMA are now apparently married. Generation X seems to have disbanded. Xavier is back and walking around, and apparently possessed of mental power again, though I thought they were somehow removed from him following the Onslaught series. The Phoenix is somehow now FIVE beings? Did it have kids or something?
And Magneto is alive and working with the X-Men once again.

Please somebody, as briefly as possible, how did all of this HAPPEN?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Can somebody help me out here?

I've actually been away from the X-books for the better part of a decade. For all the comic shops in my area either relocated, stopped carrying Marvel and DC in favor of Indies or role-playing game paraphenelia, or went out of business.

Then, through various forums, I drifted toward DC and stayed there.
Last time I'd actually been able to buy and actual X-Men comic, though:

Jean and Scott were husband and wife.

Emma Frost was headmistress of Generation X (I have no idea how she went from villain to headmistress, but I suppose it's no stranger than Magneto becoming headmaster of Xavier's Academy)

The Phoenix had gone from being Jean, to its own entity, to Jean with ONE empowering being inside her.

Magneto had died.

What in the world HAPPENED??

I don't see Jean anywhere. Like, anywhere.
Scott and EMMA are now apparently married. Generation X seems to have disbanded. Xavier is back and walking around, and apparently possessed of mental power again, though I thought they were somehow removed from him following the Onslaught series. The Phoenix is somehow now FIVE beings? Did it have kids or something?
And Magneto is alive and working with the X-Men once again.

Please somebody, as briefly as possible, how did all of this HAPPEN?

This is a thread about a herald of Rand, take your questions where they belong. Which is Pr's pm box 😛

Originally posted by Golgo13
Stops at 8.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
The dragons chi exists within all things, it is an endless sea of life with no beginning or end that exists within the center of the one true God; Lord Rand. So it stands to reason that since the baby was born from Rand's divine energy it too would be filled with his sea of power and be immune to the affects of time and simply Fist Odin.

Nekron aint doing shit. The combined might of fire and will would WRECK Nekron. Case closed.

Originally posted by zopzop
[B]Yeah, that's terrific. Thanks for that bit of info. Now tell me where you think Puffy stops if he's an adult and going all out (healed fully after each fight).

Galactus kebabs the dragon.

I don't understand why people seem to be buying into the idea that the Phoenix Force in AvX, was fully imbued to each of the avatars.

It seems to me that it's more reasonable to assume that, without its chosen host [Hope], it just doesn't fully meld (and therefore provide access to the totality of the force).

The Avatars have all been very underwhelming, nothing they've done has been impressive, when you take in to account the fact that they're supposedly amped by "1/5th" of a cosmic force each.

Sentry, Surfer, hell even Cable have better feats of global manipulation and multi-tasking and hero-stomping.

Originally posted by janus77
Galactus kebabs the dragon.

I don't understand why people seem to be buying into the idea that the Phoenix Force in AvX, was fully imbued to each of the avatars.

It seems to me that it's more reasonable to assume that, without its chosen host [Hope], it just doesn't fully meld (and therefore provide access to the totality of the force).

The Avatars have all been very underwhelming, nothing they've done has been impressive, when you take in to account the fact that they're supposedly amped by "1/5th" of a cosmic force each.

Sentry, Surfer, hell even Cable have better feats of global manipulation and multi-tasking and hero-stomping.

Rachel has better feats, and she's only had a 'sliver'. Which, although ambiguous as to its level, must be less that what Cyclops had.

Originally posted by janus77
Galactus kebabs the dragon.

I don't understand why people seem to be buying into the idea that the Phoenix Force in AvX, was fully imbued to each of the avatars.

It seems to me that it's more reasonable to assume that, without its chosen host [Hope], it just doesn't fully meld (and therefore provide access to the totality of the force).

The Avatars have all been very underwhelming, nothing they've done has been impressive, when you take in to account the fact that they're supposedly amped by "1/5th" of a cosmic force each.

Sentry, Surfer, hell even Cable have better feats of global manipulation and multi-tasking and hero-stomping.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Rachel has better feats, and she's only had a 'sliver'. Which, although ambiguous as to its level, must be less that what Cyclops had.

Rachel, Jean Grey etc... they're being that the PF chose and who accepted it. So there's scope to argue that, whatever amount of it they had, it was fully bonded to them.

It also explains why you only need to knock out an avatar for the PF to leave it.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
If you're referring to Zop's spoilers , then you should know that Shao Lao's off-panel feat of beating the Phoenix happened a long time ago , according to legend .

Not once have they looked like they were in possession of an abstract - cosmic - power... Even combined, they don't seem half as formidable as say Thanos.

Chaos Wars, Fear Itself and now this, the hype around the entities grows exponentially in INVERSE relation to the feats of the entities...

Still, AvX doesn't suck as hard as Faeces Itself. That was utterly shit.

Originally posted by janus77
No, that incident is its own little ****up, I'm speaking about the rather weak and unimpressive PF Avatars over the course of this whole AvX arc.

Not once have they looked like they were in possession of an abstract - cosmic - power... Even combined, they don't seem half as formidable as say Thanos.

Chaos Wars, Fear Itself and now this, the hype around the entities grows exponentially in INVERSE relation to the feats of the entities...

Still, AvX doesn't suck as hard as Faeces Itself. That was utterly shit.

I do hope though that the PF gets revealed as that mysterious "Life-Force" which granted Wanda her powers . That'll be a real turning point for the Phoenix(power-wise) in this event .