David Cronenberg Is Not Fan Of Superhero Movies

Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic
Dark Knight Returns
Any Question series
Any Alan Moore story
Kraven's Last Hunt
Hellblazer
Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol
Vertigo Comics
Whatever Happened To The American Dream?
Long Halloween
Batman: Dead End
Any 90s Bane story
Stormwatch
The Authority
Kickass
The Boy Who Collected Spider-Man
Smoke and Mirror
The Goon
The Spider (Dynamite Entertainment's reboot)
Any Jonah Hex series
Punisher MAX
Sandman

That was all just by thought. Imagine if I looked it up.

Really? You know i could list a hundred different other comics that are a complete 180 from what you listed. most of what you listed were one shots. i know you guys have a hard accepting this concept but even those were aimed at kids. Superhero comics have an age target range of 12-25 yrs old. young boys especially love the violence and half naked women.

but just for shits and giggles:
spiderman
amazing spiderman
ultimate spiderman
avengers
x-men
action comics
superman
batman
detective comics
wonderwoman
thor
the might thor
hulk
iron man
wolverine
power pack
batman/superman
fantastic four
justice league

these are comics just listed off the top of my head that are aimed at kids and they're ongoing/recent, i didn't even go into all the different variants. the "mature" themes you guys keep pointing to can be found in any young adult series.

Originally posted by jedi90
Really? You know i could list a hundred different other comics that are a complete 180 from what you listed. most of what you listed were one shots. i know you guys have a hard accepting this concept but even those were aimed at kids. Superhero comics have an age target range of 12-25 yrs old. young boys especially love the violence and half naked women.

The ones which Mr. Rhythmic listed are for kids ??

there's a reason why some of those books have a adult rating on them, Even alot of the books now with the "Parental Advisory"......if that's still aimed at kids in your view then your messed up.

To me he would not make my top 100. He has maybe 3 movies i enjoy. His statement sure makes it seem like he is a douche.

Originally posted by Kazenji
The ones which Mr. Rhythmic listed are for kids ??

there's a reason why some of those books have a adult rating on them, Even alot of the books now with the "Parental Advisory"......if that's still aimed at kids in your view then your messed up.

Wha? hey genius, i didn't write the books. i think you need to slow down and re read what i wrote. how am i messed up in telling you that the superhero comic industry publishes violent, misogynist books? yes, their books are aimed at kids. you need to stop thinking of a six yr old when i say the word "kid". i'm talking about tweens, young adults, however you want to label pubescent young people with impressionable minds. The "mature" subject matter you guys keep clinging to can be found in any young adult series at your local library.

Their target range is 12-25 yrs old. go look it up, better yet here is a link for your reading pleasure.
http://www.themarysue.com/dc-nielsen-survey-results/

from the article:
"More than 50% of DC COMICS-THE NEW 52 readers were between the ages of 13 and 34. And more than 50% of in-store DC COMICS-THE NEW 52 consumers had an annual income of $60K or less. The data supports and arguably validates our philosophy of holding the line at $2.99 which DCE is committed to maintaining."

once again, half the titles mr. rhythmic listed were ones shots over the course of two decades. Cronenberg's comments are not off based and are obvious for the casual movie goer but they don't care cause it's about having fun.

Let's not feed the newest troll here, everyone. Jedi90 made a blanket comment about what ALL comics were & intended for, and can't back it up now without admitting to speaking out of turn.

Originally posted by roughrider
Let's not feed the newest troll here, everyone. Jedi90 made a blanket comment about what ALL comics were & intended for, and can't back it up now without admitting to speaking out of turn.

READING IS FUNDAMENTAL

i never said all, just superhero comics . nice try though on twisting what i wrote. here, i'll write in CAPS for you so you'll understand better.
SUPERHERO COMICS ARE AIMED AT KIDS 12-25 YRS OLD.

i've written this several times now. i even provided you with a link, never mind the fact that if you google it you'll find similar information. why don't you start backing up you're statements instead of trying to derail the topic. yes, any person under 18 is a minor, hence the term "kid"

Here's some more education for you
http://numerons.in/files/documents/24Violent-Comic-Books-and-Perceptions-of-Ambiguous-Provocation-Situations.pdf

Originally posted by jedi90
SUPERHERO COMICS ARE AIMED AT KIDS 12-25 YRS OLD.

Well for one kid (at least in these terms) is a relative term. So yes and no. If you are a parent that believes in the rating system of movies you wouldn't let a kid read some of the comics until they are 17+. Legally you are an adult at 18 but don't get full adult privileges until you are 21. So for argument sake at 21 you are not a kid anymore. Letting some people read books like Deadpool Max for example would be a bad idea as it is essentially a rated R comic. In my local comic shop you actually have to be 18+ and present I.D. to read them along with some others. These are in fact super hero books.

Originally posted by jedi90
READING IS FUNDAMENTAL

i never said all, just superhero comics . nice try though on twisting what i wrote. here, i'll write in CAPS for you so you'll understand better.
SUPERHERO COMICS ARE AIMED AT KIDS 12-25 YRS OLD.

i've written this several times now. i even provided you with a link, never mind the fact that if you google it you'll find similar information. why don't you start backing up you're statements instead of trying to derail the topic. yes, any person under 18 is a minor, hence the term "kid"

Here's some more education for you
http://numerons.in/files/documents/24Violent-Comic-Books-and-Perceptions-of-Ambiguous-Provocation-Situations.pdf

And you'd be wrong.

Morrison's run on X-Men, for starters.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Well for one kid (at least in these terms) is a relative term. So yes and no. If you are a parent that believes in the rating system of movies you wouldn't let a kid read some of the comics until they are 17+. Legally you are an adult at 18 but don't get full adult privileges until you are 21. So for argument sake at 21 you are not a kid anymore. Letting some people read books like Deadpool Max for example would be a bad idea as it is essentially a rated R comic. In my local comic shop you actually have to be 18+ and present I.D. to read them along with some others. These are in fact super hero books.

listen, R-rated superhero comics are the not the majority and do not represent the market.

Originally posted by -Pr-
And you'd be wrong.

Morrison's run on X-Men, for starters.

Really? what issues are you citing? cause the grant morrison issues i've seen are all rated PG.

hmmm, according to marvel.com grant morrison's run is rated T for teen. marvel's rating system says T = Appropriate for most readers 13 and up, parents are advised that they might want to read before or with younger childre.

thanks for playing

Originally posted by jedi90
listen, R-rated superhero comics are the not the majority and do not represent the market.

So? Doesn't change that it makes this quote a fail.

"A superhero movie, by definition, you know, it's comic book. It's for KIDS. It's ADOLESCENT in its core. That has always been its appeal, and I think people who are saying, you know, 'Dark Knight Rises' is, you know, supreme cinema art, I don't think they know what the f**k they're talking about."

My point is majority or not there is a market for it. So to generalize comics into one category "for kids" is wrong. People that don't typically read them think this. I don't fault them for it I just try to show them the fallacy in that thought. Comics can have darker, gorier, and over all more violent then an "adolescent" should read. So yes young adults but NOT for kids.

Originally posted by jedi90
Really? what issues are you citing? cause the grant morrison issues i've seen are all rated PG.

If it's extra violent or there is blood shed or even darker story tones then it is not PG. For example if TDK actually showed gore instead of cutting away from said scenes it would have been rated R.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Well for one kid (at least in these terms) is a relative term. So yes and no. If you are a parent that believes in the rating system of movies you wouldn't let a kid read some of the comics until they are 17+. Legally you are an adult at 18 but don't get full adult privileges until you are 21. So for argument sake at 21 you are not a kid anymore. Letting some people read books like Deadpool Max for example would be a bad idea as it is essentially a rated R comic. In my local comic shop you actually have to be 18+ and present I.D. to read them along with some others. These are in fact super hero books.

(RAISES HAND)

I have a motion...
Parental advisory labels didn't appear untill the 90's from what I remember and with that said, "comics for kids" would be just that.
Do adults enjoy comics ...yes but a hero running around in underwear is not targeting adults.
With that said, you stand relieved of your reticence and post another derogating rebuttle Sir.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
(RAISES HAND)

I have a motion...
Parental advisory labels didn't appear untill the 90's from what I remember and with that said, "comics for kids" would be just that.
Do adults enjoy comics ...yes but a hero running around in underwear is not targeting adults.
With that said, you stand relieved of your reticence and post another derogating rebuttle Sir.

lol The comic code was actually around before that. You were not allowed even half of whats gotten away with in todays time so there is a difference. Anyways Im not saying that there isn't comics targeted at kids but stories with darker settings and tones and the like are in fact aimed for young adults - adults.

plus I don't believe there are many, if any comic heroes that still where underwear or spandex for that matter. The stories are entertaining yes but not all are for kids.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
So? Doesn't change that it makes this quote a fail.

"A superhero movie, by definition, you know, it's comic book. It's for [B]KIDS. It's ADOLESCENT in its core. That has always been its appeal, and I think people who are saying, you know, 'Dark Knight Rises' is, you know, supreme cinema art, I don't think they know what the f**k they're talking about."

My point is majority or not there is a market for it. So to generalize comics into one category "for kids" is wrong. People that don't typically read them think this. I don't fault them for it I just try to show them the fallacy in that thought. Comics can have darker, gorier, and over all more violent then an "adolescent" should read. So yes young adults but NOT for kids.

If it's extra violent or there is blood shed or even darker story tones then it is not PG. For example if TDK actually showed gore instead of cutting away from said scenes it would have been rated R. [/B]

There is also a market for pornography comics too but he's not talking about that.
here is the thing, he was specifically talking about superhero movies/ comic books. a man running around in colorful spandex beating up guys with no due process is adolescent.

what you guys keep glossing over is, no one is disagreeing with the fact that comics can be dark or gritty but it doesn't take away that they are aimed at kids. a young adult can still be a minor as young as 12 or 13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young-adult_fiction

you're right, if TDK showed more gore it would have been rated R, but guess what, they didn't. you know why? cause they wanted kids to go see it too.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
lol The comic code was actually around before that. You were not allowed even half of whats gotten away with in todays time so there is a difference. Anyways Im not saying that there isn't comics targeted at kids but stories with darker settings and tones and the like are in fact aimed for young adults - adults.

plus I don't believe there are many, if any comic heroes that still where underwear or spandex for that matter. The stories are entertaining yes but not all are for kids.

Good Sir,

Please look at the Justice League. theres plenty of "fruit of the looms in the Melee".
Now I do agree there has been internal filters for some issues in comics except for race bashing due to the times. I will however deduce the conclusion of bazooka (gum) comics were on another note but you get the idea.

Originally posted by jedi90
There is also a market for pornography comics too but he's not talking about that.
here is the thing, he was specifically talking about superhero movies/ comic books. a man running around in colorful spandex beating up guys with no due process is adolescent.

Originally posted by jedi90
what you guys keep glossing over is, no one is disagreeing with the fact that comics can be dark or gritty but it doesn't take away that they are aimed at kids. a young adult can still be a minor as young as 12 or 13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young-adult_fiction

you're right, if TDK showed more gore it would have been rated R, but guess what, they didn't. you know why? cause they wanted kids to go see it too.

Smoking is not for kids but it's pretty obvious they try to market it to younger people by making it "look cool" The Same with drinking. Only some titles are rated and forced to have an I.D. to buy but it doesn't mean parents should allow kids to have them at some ages. I would say anywhere from 15 and up for the gritty themes should be about the right age. Any younger then that and I feel you are in danger of people not being able to tell the difference of whats possible and whats not.

No I agree. They wanted as many ticket sales as possible and an R rating would have damaged that.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
Good Sir,

Please look at the Justice League. theres plenty of "fruit of the looms in the Melee".
Now I do agree there has been internal filters for some issues in comics except for race bashing due to the times. I will however deduce the conclusion of bazooka (gum) comics were on another note but you get the idea.

In the justice league who is in underwear and/or Spandex? Green Lantern maybe....Flash might be in the JL but in his own book it seems to be made of something else. It's not the same as it use to be. They did wear spandex and underwear but they have been modernizing most of the heroes. Now if it isn't armored its ninja, or maybe street clothing. Suits are retaining more of a reason the to simply "look cool". That dosn't change the fact it's still kid-ish looking I agree but not all books are that way anymore.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
In the justice league who is in underwear and/or Spandex? Green Lantern maybe....Flash might be in the JL but in his own book it seems to be made of something else. It's not the same as it use to be. They did wear spandex and underwear but they have been modernizing most of the heroes. Now if it isn't armored its ninja, or maybe street clothing. Suits are retaining more of a reason the to simply "look cool". That dosn't change the fact it's still kid-ish looking I agree but not all books are that way anymore.

LOLOL,

By the looks of things you apparently think that tights and underwear are different. Fair enough.
I want you to attempt walking into a gas station with tights on and watch what happens.
Maybe i have this all wrong, perhaps where you are from, walking around (or flying) in tights is a normal thing. But hey !! leg warmers are in (thumbs up!!)

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Ooh yes I forgot about the porno comics. Those are also not for kids. Specifically speaking his direct quote is flawed as he speaks of comics in general. Comics with Heroes to be exact Not all Heroes are "good" nor do they "run around in colorful spandex" People like The Punisher, Blade, and Deadpool are not books kids should read. Those are not these Super Heroes he talking about. With comments he is making he's obviously talking about old comic code superman and the like.

Smoking is not for kids but it's pretty obvious they try to market it to younger people by making it "look cool" The Same with drinking. Only some titles are rated and forced to have an I.D. to buy but it doesn't mean parents should allow kids to have them at some ages. I would say anywhere from 15 and up for the gritty themes should be about the right age. Any younger then that and I feel you are in danger of people not being able to tell the difference of whats possible and whats not.

No I agree. They wanted as many ticket sales as possible and an R rating would have damaged that.

he never said comics in general. you're twisting his words. he was talking only about superhero movies and the property they are based on. deadpool, punisher, and blade have had dark books and lighter stories just like batman......all of them in tights too.

what part of 12-25 yrs old aren't you people reading? you do realize that risk taking is apart of adolescence? which is what cronenberg is referring to. don't confuse your personal taste with what the comic marketing team is aiming for.