Originally posted by BloodRain
So he did.Not really. If War was stripped of the bulk of his powers, he wouldn't be that much more impressive than his Nephilim self. If the angels and demons aren't much of a threat to this weakened War by himself, a whole race of his kind defeating these same angels/demons isn't a big deal.
Oh and both wear Abyssal armor which increases strenght,durability and health regen/hit.
Samael with his powers intact(after War got him the hearts) matter of factly told War he could end him with no problems whatsoever. Whether he meant while War was weakened or fully empowered I don't know. However, Samael at the height of his power was trash talking Lilith, and was considered next in line for the throne in Hell, as well as a threat to Lucifer himself. And Lilith was nothing before Lucifer.
Now if a weakened Death(as the 7th Seal hasn't been broken) beat a full powered Samael(a threat and rival in power to one of the most powerful beings in existence), that shows just how powerful he truly is.
Originally posted by KingD19
Samael with his powers intact(after War got him the hearts) matter of factly told War he could end him with no problems whatsoever. Whether he meant while War was weakened or fully empowered I don't know. However, Samael at the height of his power was trash talking Lilith, and was considered next in line for the throne in Hell, as well as a threat to Lucifer himself. And Lilith was nothing before Lucifer.Now if a weakened Death(as the 7th Seal hasn't been broken) beat a full powered Samael(a threat and rival in power to one of the most powerful beings in existence), that shows just how powerful he truly is.
Also the 7th seal wasn't broken a previous boss mentions this and also mocks Death that he doesn't have the power of the seals behind him and without it he is very weak.
Im not sure how strong Neph's are, but if they can't compare to the Horsemen with their powers then beating their race doesn't say much for their power.
Basically beating featless race conquers that are weaker than the gifted Horsemen is not a big feat in itself. Still holding on the the fact that beating the Destroyer and the Avatar of Chaos as being the best things mentioned.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Im not sure how strong Neph's are, but if they can't compare to the Horsemen with their powers then beating their race doesn't say much for their power.Basically beating featless race conquers that are weaker than the gifted Horsemen is not a big feat in itself. Still holding on the the fact that beating the Destroyer and the Avatar of Chaos as being the best things mentioned.
It's not like anyone from the bad guys in DMC 4 has any feats.....
I didn't hear anything about no one being able to stop them. The four just got tired of the pointless slaughter and made a deal to gain more power to stop them. That and its not like they were the only ones fighting the race. Apparently the Hellguard were fighting the Nephilim while the Horsemen were.
It was less conquering and more an ongoing battle.
In DMC4? Besides intangible, lightning, absolute zero and Hellfire demons, they actually come with physical feats.
Decent mooks are supersonic which is already faster than anything DS has shown, mid-tiers like Berial and Credo are about hypersonic and have strength feats equal to that of the Horsemen [which afaik the best strength feats are War pulling a 50 ton train car and Thane, who is physically stronger than Death, rolling a 300 ton door].
Whereas Dante and Nero are faster than than anything in DMC4 and are stronger than the Savior.
Originally posted by Estacado
You must have missed the part where the actions of the Nephilim were threatening Balance itself......also as I said atleast 10 times if Death was about to ressurrect them they would conquer all off existence....
You've never once mentioned them being resurrected, nor is existence in this case a large scale [Earth, Heaven, Hell and the Scottish realms].
Threatening the balance between Heaven and Hell doesn't mean anything by itself, less as "[The Horsemen] feared their conquest would imperil the Balance.". The Horsemen themselves thought that they would endanger the Balance with the path they were on.
And this is a whole race. The majority of the realms inhabitants are fodder, the only things to note are the strong characters that we can confirm the fought against; the Hellguard and any groups like them. Thats a few groups of military angels (or demons if they have something similar) against an entire race of warriors. The fact that the Angels/Demons didn't lose the battle in a single night to such a high number bodes well for them.
Forces like these were able to hold off the Nephilim's (to some degree), the same forces that were doing battle with them at the same time the Horsemen were.
A feat on this level is that of Sparda's. He fought and defeated the king of hell and his army, with great numbers seeing there are more demons than humans. After the defeat he drove all the demons back into Hell he used his power to seal off the realm from the human one.
And he did all that by himself. The army of Hell, their Elites and the King vs One, and the One won.
Dante is now above Sparda.
Originally posted by Estacado
Ok so now even Berial or Credo could beat the Horseman...
The Horsemen may prevail with their non-physical skills, but yes, by feats Credo is as strong as War/Death but far faster.
