Originally posted by Shabazz916
I dnt think she can put her force fields under anything. After all adamamtium isnt a earthy substance.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
My interpretation of her force bubbles was that she could just form them wherever shes wants so she wouldn't have to affect the armor. In character she wouldn't do that though I agree. I could see her handicapping him via blinding him though. Making his retinas invisible that is. if that isn't very helpful it would be fairly easy for her to use her powers to turn the team invisible. I don't see ben being very helpful....maybe to keep him distracted while he's handicapped for torch to heat the suit up doesn't hurt the suit but turns it into a pressure cooker. None of this even accounts for Reed. Im sure its not exactly that easy as he would have counter measures though. Tony's knowledge of the FF isn't gonna be entirely helpful when hes against Reed in prep imo. Tonys smart just not reed smart.EDIT: or sue could remove the arc reactor as mentioned above.
OK we should keep it in character, we know that none would kill, so let's skip the Ultimate Nullifier, the force bubbles to the brain, and the punching of heads off.
Prep means that Tony would have their measure the moment the battle began, he would go into stealth while having an amy of IM armors playing mole, he could flood the field with nanites to temp spam their powers, he would be the physically strongest on the field.
I can see them winning this, don't get me wrong, but i could see him taking them out as well. I haven't forgotten Johnnies CCR, but if he did not know that IM was approaching him invisibly, the CCR could be added to Tony's armament, or simply confiscated until the end of the battle.
Originally posted by Blight
If that's the case then that's the case. But how would adamantium stop it from forming? She's not shooting it through his adamantium, she'd be forming it behind the armor. Again, I don't know if she could, but if she's created something behind a wall before, I don't see any evidence to suggest adamantium would somehow fare different.
Perfect example. Just like professor X cnt get thru magnetos helmet.
Maybe the adamamtium wouldnt let sue thru it to build a force field.
Originally posted by Shabazz916
Perfect example. Just like professor X cnt get thru magnetos helmet.Maybe the adamamtium wouldnt let sue thru it to build a force field.
Anything to prove adamantium stops something like that?
Originally posted by Blight
I don't think the helmet protects him from mental attacks by being made out of adamantium. I thought it was explained theatthere was tech inside it that shields it from telepathy.Anything to prove adamantium stops something like that?
No but at the same time, i dnt think they say what her force fields cnt go thru. So idk im just guessing.
Im intrested to see if they is a substance she cnt go thru
Originally posted by Blight
I don't think the helmet protects him from mental attacks by being made out of adamantium. I thought it was explained that there was tech inside it that shields it from telepathy.Anything to prove adamantium stops something like that?
If she can form the bubble inside of the armor then sure, but she can't affect, bend, pull or rearrange adamantium by the force of her powers, she just isn't that strong. I mean the Hulk could and has one shotted her best shields, so we know that she has a limit. However Tony with prep would have the means of shielding himself from an EMP attack, while the FF would have no choice but to breath in some airborne nanites which would spam their powers until he mopped them up. They have to breathe, and Sue can't read Tony's mind to make the decision to throw up her shields the moment the battle began. No powers, means no force bubbles.
Originally posted by Stoic
OK we should keep it in character, we know that none would kill, so let's skip the Ultimate Nullifier, the force bubbles to the brain, and the punching of heads off.Prep means that Tony would have their measure the moment the battle began, he would go into stealth while having an amy of IM armors playing mole, he could flood the field with nanites to temp spam their powers, he would be the physically strongest on the field.
I can see them winning this, don't get me wrong, but i could see him taking them out as well. I haven't forgotten Johnnies CCR, but if he did not know that IM was approaching him invisibly, the CCR could be added to Tony's armament, or simply confiscated until the end of the battle.
Indeed. Absolutely no punching heads off lol
but that prep works both ways....I could totally foresee reed simply hacking into tonys armor and overriding it or more to the point have a system in place to hack his armor while they fight. That comes down to weather you believe reed to be smarter then tony and im sure we could agree he is. His invisibility could be trouble unless he uses a tech to detect tonys arc reactor.
Originally posted by Shabazz916
Are you being a smart ass or you really dnt know ??
lulz no I wasn't being a smart ass. I was very certain you were mistaken but I thought instead of assuming I would ask because you might have had proof to the contrary.
Originally posted by Stoic
He may have gotten it confused with vibranium. Simple mistake.
Indeed. That makes sense!
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Indeed. Absolutely no punching heads off lolbut that prep works both ways....I could totally foresee reed simply hacking into tonys armor and overriding it or more to the point have a system in place to hack his armor while they fight. That comes down to weather you believe reed to be smarter then tony and im sure we could agree he is. His invisibility could be trouble unless he uses a tech to detect tonys arc reactor.
Nah, Reed is smarter than Tony, but not in all areas, when you talk of hacking Tony has Reed beat. Actually Reeds expertise of firewalls, and network protocols are below Amadeus Cho's, and Tony is superior to Cho at that level. Tony would take control of any network device implemented. Tony at his best is a technopath, and he would simply be several steps ahead of Reed if you think about it.
Tony with prep, is a lock down artist, his first move would likely be stealth followed by a nanite cloud. I think Sue would have the best bet of winning this, and she would have to do it before he disappears. How would she know which IM armor was Tony though, before he went stealth mode?
Tony is pretty badass if you think about it.
Originally posted by Shabazz916
No if you watched the wolverine movie you saw they went to african to get it because it came from a comet.
I don't know if you are being serious or not but I wouldn't go based on the movies as movies tend stray from source materiel. Not just in comics but for all books in general.
Originally posted by Stoic
Nah, Reed is smarter than Tony, but not in all areas, when you talk of hacking Tony has Reed beat. Actually Reeds expertise of firewalls, and network protocols are below Amadeus Cho's, and Tony is superior to Cho at that level. Tony would take control of any network device implemented. Tony at his best is a technopath, and he would simply be several steps ahead of Reed if you think about it.Tony with prep, is a lock down artist, his first move would likely be stealth followed by a nanite cloud. I think Sue would have the best bet of winning this, and she would have to do it before he disappears. How would she know which IM armor was Tony though, before he went stealth mode?
Tony is pretty badass if you think about it.
Really? Thats pretty cool!
iirc there are computers built into each of the FF's costumes equipped with scanners that allow detection of beings on levels that they can even use it for detecting things from other dimensions. Imo if sue went invisible she could use the scanners to detect where exactly tony is and catch him in a force bubble and remove/disconnect his power source long enough to incapacitate him.. She could just have reed drop him into the negative zone for a bfr while hes caught up also.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Really? Thats pretty cool!iirc there are computers built into each of the FF's costumes equipped with scanners that allow detection of beings on levels that they can even use it for detecting things from other dimensions. Imo if sue went invisible she could use the scanners to detect where exactly tony is and catch him in a force bubble and remove/disconnect his power source long enough to incapacitate him.. She could just have reed drop him into the negative zone for a bfr while hes caught up also.
Possibly, and I could see this scenario play out, but I could also see Tony's armor detecting and telling him about an attempt to hack into his systems to detect him, and then he could jam it out with his own scripts. This would all happen at the speed of a gigabit over 1/1000 gigabit ethernet using fiber, which is a process that is so fast that a human would never be able to keep up with. Remember that his armor talks to him like Nova's helmet warns him of dangers. I think in a robotic tech battle that Tony would beat the FF's costumes TBH. Not saying that they couldn't win, but Tony is a handful with prep.