Originally posted by Utrigita
I recall Surfer saying to Quasar something about that the battle with the Galactus Engine would soon be seen on the physical plane, and then Aegis dies, but then it has been some time since I last read it.
Originally posted by Galan007
I'm asking if the Eldritch Old Ones are the same thing as the Many-Angled Ones. I'd never heard that..?
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
*Necrobump*I recently found out conclusive proof that Shuma is the leader of the Old Ones:
One such "old one" was "water elemental" :
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/waterele.htm
Other "old ones" included : Erlik Khan and Ghaszaszh Nyirh
And they were "banished by human sorcerers" and kept at bay by the White Magic artifacts in Strange's possession.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerI have no problem with your assessment, so there's no need to be on the defensive. I was just asking a question, is all. Thanks for the answer.
They were the demonic gods who were the masters of the Many-Angled Ones, so yeah, they were the MAOs. I think it was mentioned in either a Thanos Imperative comic, or a Realm of Kings comic. Anyways, the Many-Angled Ones were referred in other Cthullu-inspired terminology like "chthonic deities" and "eldritch abominations"(which further adds credence to that scan), so the evidence is pretty solid imo of Shuma being their leader.
Originally posted by zopzop
You realize that scan wasn't talking about the MAOs right? It was about demons that Strange released when he destroyed his artifacts. These 'mighty' demons were harassing half naked African villagers and middle aged women in Hong Kong. 🙄One such "old one" was "water elemental" :
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/waterele.htm
Other "old ones" included : Erlik Khan and Ghaszaszh NyirhAnd they were "banished by human sorcerers" and kept at bay by the White Magic artifacts in Strange's possession.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
So basically speaking you're providing evidence to substantiate their nature as Cthulhu-inspired deities? Because that is [b]exactly what the Many-Angled Ones were: Cthulhu rip-offs. [/B]
These things were DEMONS that preyed on humanity. They were on Earth till banished to another dimension by HUMAN sorcerers.
Unless I'm mistaken the MAO's are not demons but super powerful aliens.
Two completely different things.
both the MAOs and other demonic creatures in the MU were clearly derived from lovecraft's work. "That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die" was the inspirational source of the cancerverse, but that doesnt mean all the so-called old one or great old ones in the MU are MAOs. shuma gorath is actually mentioned in E-vell's incantation to reproduce the death-killing ritual on thanos, so we can conclude he was one fo them. as for being their leader, that's speculative.
the MAOs win all scenarios by the way.
Originally posted by zopzop
Uhm no.These things were DEMONS that preyed on humanity. They were on Earth till banished to another dimension by HUMAN sorcerers.
Unless I'm mistaken the MAO's are not demons but super powerful aliens.
Two completely different things.
Originally posted by 753
both the MAOs and other demonic creatures in the MU were clearly derived from lovecraft's work. "That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die" was the inspirational source of the cancerverse, but that doesnt mean all the so-called old one or great old ones in the MU are MAOs. shuma gorath is actually mentioned in E-vell's incantation to reproduce the death-killing ritual on thanos, so we can conclude he was one fo them. as for being their leader, that's speculative.the MAOs win all scenarios by the way.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The MAOs were created from the nightmares of the first daemons. They employ dark magic. They are clearly demonic creatures.The Old Ones were the lords of the MAOs. And Shuma was one of them. Even if you want to discount that scan and say that the Eldritch Old Ones mentioned in that scan aren't the Cancerverse's Old Ones, Shuma is still part of the group that holds dominion over the MAOs. He's their leader, either way one looks at it.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Read Lovecraft. Read the interviews on cbr in which the inspiration for Thanos Imperative is mentioned. Then come back to me.
The "old ones" in the Strange Tales arc were low level demons that human mages imprisoned over the course of centuries on EARTH.
The "old ones" in the Thanos Imperative arc were super powerful alien entities, yes READ LOVECRAFT. Cthulhu was an ALIEN.