2012 Presidential Election

Originally posted by Mairuzu
I didn't see it as frabricated attempt to expose Obamas weakness to terrorist. I saw it as Romney simply trying to expose the incompetence of the administration because they didnt realize (so they say) it was a planned act of terror until weeks after, but instead they thought it was a spontaneous act of terror due to a youtube video.

Even if we go with the "Obama took 14 days" as fact, how is that a necessarily a bad thing in of itself?

I'd hope the President (any President) would take the time, let the intel come in and know the facts before declaring something like "planned terror attacks" when they could have been spontaneous asshatery. I prefer an informed President over a knee-jerker.

what olympian mental gymnastics to be like "yeah fine,what he said was factually wrong....but he was right to say it"

The first thing I noticed was that Obama came out swinging: he didn't even take his opening moment to address the crowd, the moderator or his opponent as Romney had, as they both had in their first debate, and as presidents/candidates have done in debates past. Right away I started shaking my head.

The next thing I noticed was that both candidates answered questions in typical polspeak: evasively. Romney kept harping back on, "I know how to create jobs!" as if someone told him this should be his mantra for the evening. Obama avoided direct answering by going off on major tangents (eg, "Mr. President, are these gas prices the new norm?" Obama: "Here's our energy policy..."😉. More head-shaking on my part.

The above aside, Obama did a much better job than last time, but Romney was hardly the slouch: he was the first to start interrupting and not wait his turn. Still, each got in some good jabs (no KOs). From what I saw -- I watched only the first half of the debate -- I tend to see this rematch basically as a draw.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
its a big deal because the moderater also served as third party fact checker who called out a bald faced lie rather than give a free pass.
if im not mistaken this is unprecedented.

mitt said obama didnt call it "an act of terror" when he used those exact words. it was a pure fabrication used to pander to the "OBUMMERS GOIN EASY ON TEH TERRS'TS" crowd.

now the foxnews outrage manufacturing department is hard at work trying to spin it into "evil crowley lies for obama".

he declared that "i wanna make sure we get that for the record, because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in benghazi an act of terror". this was in fact a complete fabrication and he looked like an ass because of it.

so you see, its no credit to obama. a bag of rocks could have won that particular exchange against romney.

Thanks for a clear headed and intelligent response. This was the type of feedback I was looking for. 👆

Originally posted by Robtard
Even if we go with the "Obama took 14 days" as fact, how is that a necessarily a bad thing in of itself?

I'd hope the President (any President) would take the time, let the intel come in and know the facts before declaring something like "planned terror attacks" when they could have been spontaneous asshatery. I prefer an informed President over a knee-jerker.

Yes, this. I still don't see the 14 day criticism being bad. Granted, swift and decisive responses are necessary at times but maybe a quick and decisive response would have bee inappropriate with this particular scenario. This is not even an R or D type of argument: it is a military argument. What does Tzu o say about it? lol

Well, it's time I watched the damned thing. BRB?

Originally posted by Robtard
Even if we go with the "Obama took 14 days" as fact, how is that a necessarily a bad thing in of itself?

I'd hope the President (any President) would take the time, let the intel come in and know the facts before declaring something like "planned terror attacks" when they could have been spontaneous asshatery. I prefer an informed President over a knee-jerker.

The administration sure didn't wait to blame it on a youtube video.

Holy shit. The guy who's slightly to the right of beefy Reed Richards lowers his testicles back into his scrotum for an event where two far right candidates very close in ideology are the only ones invited and suddenly he's a hero.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
The administration sure didn't wait to blame it on a youtube video.

Yes, yes, yes, Obama is a loser and he can do nothing right. Got it already, you've made your opinion towards the guy perfectly clear long ago.

My point was in the general sense to the "took too long" criticism, not specifically Obama.

Edit: But I'll bite, what was the date that the Obama admin blamed the video?

Is anybody else terrified that both parties told utter lies and do not have a plan to save our collapsing economy?

Ehh. I feel like even if we had a perfect government the economy would still take years to recover. Look at the Great Depression and the New Deal. It wasn't until about a decade after the New Deal's inception that the economy recovered to pre-crash levels--and that was ultimately thanks to the Second World War.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Is anybody else terrified that both parties told utter lies and do not have a plan to save our collapsing economy?

The Obama admin has a plan and it's been fleshed-out for us. Now will it work? I don't know.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, yes, yes, Obama is a loser and he can do nothing right. Got it already, you've made your opinion towards the guy perfectly clear long ago.

He's doing right for Goldman sachs. He's doing right for the lobbyist. He's doing right for big businesses bailing them out via us. I wouldn't say hes doing right for the average middle class person. stoned

Just another status quo puppet.

Why does it matter if I made my opinion long ago or recently? I'm stating the facts to the current discussion.

Originally posted by Robtard

My point was in the general sense to the "took too long" criticism, not specifically Obama.

Edit: But I'll bite, what was the date that the Obama admin blamed the video?

They took 1 day to loosely blame it on a movie

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Then on the 14th (maybe 13th?) They chose the video story.

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(video in this link also)
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/09/15/obama-administration-blames-movie-says-not-directed-at-us-policy-not-to-the-administration-not-to-the-american-poeple-unreal/

I called bullshit right off the bat once I saw every mainstream media outlet was blaming this on a movie. By the 16th/17th I finally came to the conclusion that it wasnt due to the movie. Turns out i was right sooner that our own administration. That's sad as ****.

And speaking of Carney, hes done so many bullshit press meetings, cant stand the guy. What a "bad actor".

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I hope you can handle that bite. They really didnt know that the embassy was requesting resources for security despite the many months requesting it and white house officials denying it?

Incompetence at its finest and now people are dead.

Keep thinking the two corporate bought parties are going to save you.

Also, cant forget what Swann says. Information from across the intelligence community pointed to an attack by Ansar Al-Sharia 24 hours after. Yet we kept hearing INNOCENT OF MUSLIMS!

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I even tried tell people here it wasnt based on a movie and no one believed me haermm

So what you did was take a wild guess (unless you have some inside intel?) and it happened to be correct. I'd not pat yourself on the back too much. Kudos though.

Yeah robtard, I took a wild guess. Idiot.

name calling proves that you didnt just guess it based on pure cynicism when you could have easily been wrong.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Yeah robtard, I took a wild guess. Idiot.

Repeat: What was the intel that lead you to believe the attacks were planned? Especially considering you said "right off the bat".

Originally posted by Robtard
So what you did was take a wild guess (unless you have some inside intel?) and it happened to be correct. I'd not pat yourself on the back too much. Kudos though.

Originally posted by Robtard
Repeat: What was the intel that lead you to believe the attacks were planned? Especially considering you said "right off the bat".

The fact that the video had been posted for almost (or was it "over"😉 a year? There's some pretty damming "intel", right there.

Thank you Ben Swann. Again.

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All the answers you need on this pointless topic of who said what.

I read/watch other news sources other than mainstream media where all the fools thought it was based on a youtube video.