Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Look at other feats and instances. There's more feats and evidence of Wolverine taking class 100 strength and up to get knocked out as opposed to taking lesser force. If Wolverine got KO'd by Spider-Man strength level characters than he did with Hulk level characters then that would be his average showings, but since his debut he's been fighting bricks, tanking punches and punishment by people on that strength level.
This is still completely arbitrary the way I see it.
You'd have to tally up the two sides to prove your case.
Because a statement like 'look at other feats' goes both ways, in which Wolverine has many showings of being significantly hurt by Spiderman or under level people too.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
This is still completely arbitrary the way I see it.You'd have to tally up the two sides to prove your case.
Because a statement like 'look at other feats' goes both ways, in which Wolverine has many showings of being significantly hurt by Spiderman or under level people too.
He has tons of more showings of him taking a lot more. That's what I said and you don't seem to be understanding that.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'd argue in most cases where there are inconsistencies the more recent showing would take precedence. Not every time, context is important and things, but as a general rule.
Was thinking the same, in which case most recently Dock Ock in Spiderman's body beat him down.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He has tons of more showings of him taking a lot more. That's what I said and you don't seem to be understanding that.
You didn't say anything difficult to understand. I'm asking you to prove your case, you cannot just throw the word 'average' around and hope it sticks.
What does 'tons' mean in a quantifiable manner in comparison to the Spiderman Tier or less side of the argument?
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Was thinking the same, in which case most recently Dock Ock in Spiderman's body beat him down.You didn't say anything difficult to understand. I'm asking you to prove your case, you cannot just throw the word 'average' around and hope it sticks.
What does 'tons' mean in a quantifiable manner in comparison to the Spiderman Tier or less side of the argument?
Surviving point blank explosions on multiple occasions, taking punches from Hulk, Thing, Colossus, Sebastian Shaw etc. Hell I think WWH only gave him temporary brain damage. In the Wolverine vs Link thread I posted him climbing up a cliff, jumping off and liquefying his organs and knocking him out for only a few seconds. That's plenty of more times than your Spider-Man argument. The fact that Wolverine has been introduced as a brick buster, fought Hercules and beat him. He's a brick slayer, he has the durability with his HF and adamantium skeleton.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Surviving point blank explosions on multiple occasions, taking punches from Hulk, Thing, Colossus, Sebastian Shaw etc. Hell I think WWH only gave him temporary brain damage. In the Wolverine vs Link thread I posted him climbing up a cliff, jumping off and liquefying his organs and knocking him out for only a few seconds. That's plenty of more times than your Spider-Man argument.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Explosions vary a lot, depending on size and power. mmm Hulk and Thing have both OHKO'd him, Spiderwoman's KO'd him twice, the WWH thing is an extremely high showing, but jumping off a mountain and being temporarily KO'd is a lower showing than Spider-Man beating him up. shrug
But meh.
I don't recall any of them oneshotting him, especially Thing and Spider-Woman. I don't see how that's a lower showing to be honest. WWH is not extremely high for Wolverine, he's taken punches from Juggernaut as well, Cain KO'd him in the end but he's been taking those same type punches before WWH even existed.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix👆
I don't recall any of them oneshotting him, especially Thing and Spider-Woman. I don't see how that's a lower showing to be honest. WWH is not extremely high for Wolverine, he's taken punches from Juggernaut as well, Cain KO'd him in the end but he's been taking those same type punches before WWH even existed.
His very first appearance was against Hulk FFS.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixWasn't speaking relatively, just in general.
I don't recall any of them oneshotting him, especially Thing and Spider-Woman. I don't see how that's a lower showing to be honest. WWH is not extremely high for Wolverine, he's taken punches from Juggernaut as well, Cain KO'd him in the end but he's been taking those same type punches before WWH even existed.
And as for the fall, it's because even with his superheavy skeleton, his peak velocity wouldn't create as much force as Spidey full out rocking him in the nose. mmm
Wolverine was apparently 'dazed' for the set up, but there it is. shrug
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Wasn't speaking relatively, just in general.And as for the fall, it's because even with his superheavy skeleton, his peak velocity wouldn't create as much force as Spidey full out rocking him in the nose. mmm
Wolverine was apparently 'dazed' for the set up, but there it is. shrug
I acknowledge this, although there 3 instances in his respect thread where he has Ben on the edge and the ability to kill him, hell his claws would shred through Ben with little resistance. I could link his fights with Hulk from that thread although most pictures don't work anymore.
hell his claws would shred through Ben with little resistanceAcknowledged on the very page I just posted. 😛 Never argued against that. Adamantium doesn't care about physics when it comes to cutting things.
And eh, I didn't really even mean to dig the 'How tough is Wolverine'? debate back up again in this thread anyway. You can post them if you like, though.