Kenichi in the Naruto-verse

What if Kenichi, from the start of Histories Strongest Disciple, and with his masters still training him, lived in the Naruto-verse with the goal of becoming a Shinobi? If he keeps the same power up curve he had in his own series, how does he fare compared to the other Naruto characters?

And, what if we take current Kenichi instead, and put him at the start of the Naruto series? How far does he get before he starts lagging behind?

Finally:

1. Kenichi (current) vs Naruto (As of his first major fight with Kabuto Yakushi).

2. Rock Lee vs Shou Kano.

3. Miu vs Sakura.

3. Apachai Hopachai vs Orochimaru.

4. Jiraiya vs Kensei Ma

5. Elder vs Nine Tails. 😈

Who wins?

HSDK characters do have some pretty cool feats though I'm not entirely sure on how they would play out in Naruto. I've just gotten re-acquanted with the series so my comparison might be off.

Naruto vs Kenichi: Naruto isn't as physically impressive but he has strength in numbers. Plus if he's allow Rasengans then I'd give a slight edge to Naruto.

Rock Lee vs Shou Kano; To be honest I can't really tell. I want to give the edge to Lee but Sho is pretty darn impressive.

Miu vs Sakura: Similar to Naruto, if she's allowed her full ability set then she wins. miu has advantage in speed and technique but Sakura could arguably tank her attack with healing. Then there's the fact that Sakura could turn Miu into pudding with one hit.

Orochimaru vs Apachai: Orochimaru wins via regen/magic sword combo

Jiraiya vs Kensei Mai: Jiraiya wins via frog summons and uber Rasengan

Elder vs Kurama: Spite 😐

Let's not forget that "The Invincible Superman" can take on an entire army/military, filled with automatics, tanks, etc. and come out undamaged. He fought them specifically with the intent of not killing them AND only stalling them while the others completed their mission.

A simple low kick, even when viewed at 1/1000th of a second, is still blurred. Just doing a oversimplified estimate, that's faster than 2000 meters a second (because the kick was still blurred and Hayato was supposedly holding back). That's about 4500 miles per hour. He can casually run so fast that he can run on top of water.

A 3 hour train ride takes him 4 hours, on foot: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/historys_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v14/c118/3.html

But that's him going at a pace slow enough to not kill Kenichi. And this trip is supposedly at the "heart" of Japan. He is not worn out by the time he arrives, as well: no exhaustion. So his stamina is up there with the likes of the Sandaime Raikage.

He can also run on water which Popular Mechanics says a minimum of 30 meters a second is required to pull that feat off.

However, that's not even remotely as fast as Hayato was running:

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/historys_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v06/c046/22.html

He's creating a tunnel in the water because he's running so fast and it was pretty much instant speed.

Basically, I think Hayato has the speed to outrun a biju-dama.

dadudemon, a litmus test question:

Do you think Elder's quick enough to blitz the uber Kenshiro? How do you think the two stack up in general stats?
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Bijudama due have a mountain ranga blast radius but the speed advantage is indeed in Hayato's favor...assuming all of his implied feats are legit and not just powerscaled. Though not sure how he's going to hurt Kurama since we don't really know how durable the fox is. He could arguably blitz but Kurama's far larger than the tanks Hayato likes to chuck around.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Bijudama due have a mountain ranga blast radius but the speed advantage is indeed in Hayato's favor...assuming all of his implied feats are legit and not just powerscaled. Though not sure how he's going to hurt Kurama since we don't really know how durable the fox is. He could arguably blitz but Kurama's far larger than the tanks Hayato likes to chuck around.

Well, Hayato's feats are legit. He's supposedly the most powerful Martial Artist, by far, in HSDK. And the Elite Masters of HSDK are on par with or better than many of the early Dragonball characters.

In the tournament, he was supposedly holding back his power to something ridiculous of like .002% of his full power. Which makes his kicking feat all the more ridiculous. He's definitely super/hypersonic like all of the Elite Masters of HSDK. His strength is definitely (by Marvel's old standard) 100+ class (he easily flips tanks which, fully loaded, are 70+ tonnes...not tons...but tons).

He's not as strong as Tsunade, by feats, though. I could be wrong as someone could show he has a 400+ tonne feat...but none come to mind. Well..he may have hit a battleship so hard that it changed the course or flipped it....could be something there. I've only read HSDK once (every chapter) so I am not as familiar with Hayato's feats as I am Tsunade's or any of the Raikage's.

Originally posted by cdtm
dadudemon, a litmus test question:

Do you think Elder's quick enough to blitz the uber Kenshiro? How do you think the two stack up in general stats?
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Don't know. His Kenshiro hypsersonic in his strikes? I'd have to look that up.

So Kenichi if he was born and trained in the Nartuto verse?

Well they all do Lee/Gai levels of daily training.
Dou martial art type would basically have access to the Eight Gates.
Sei types would probably have the Byakugan.

-So Kenichi and Miu would be best compared to to Neji and Lee with the techs of Sasuke/Naruto.
-Apachai and Ma would be around Gai and Hiashi with the techs of Kakashi.
-Hayato would be like Jiraiya with the Byakugan with access to the Eight Gates.

1. This Kenichi would defeat base Naruto, not his Kyuubi modes though.

2. Shou = Neji with the Eight Gates, easy stomp.

3. Miu, without Gates.

3. Orochimaru.

4. Jiraiya.

5. Nine Tails. No ninja without a mangekyou sharingan, Wood techs or a demon inside can compete with another demon. Hayato would still be stronger than any of the Kage.

Ok not that different from dadudemon's list.. also, 30m/s water running? Really?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Ok not that different from dadudemon's list.. also, 30m/s water running? Really?

That's what Popular Mechanics says. Minimum speed required to run on water is 67 miles per hour or 30 m/s. That's about 3 times faster than the average speed Usain Bolt ran his World Record 100 meter dash.

Clearly, Hayato is running much faster than that due to the tunnel he is creating while running. That same tunnel-effect can be seen by fighter jets as they fly close to the ocean water...but not nearly as dramatic of an effect. So I'd say it's faster than jetfighter speed but probably not hypersonic.

Here's an image of a jet pulling off a similar feat:

http://youtu.be/q6UQeKzzJ9E?t=2m40s

Here's a jet flying by at around the speed of sound (blue angels low flyby at around the speed of sound (it's disputed in the comments if it was supersonic or transonic).

YouTube video

However, I'd argue that the thrust of the jet engines creates most of that effect rather than the actual speed causing it.

That should give us an example of his speed: supersonic to hypersonic on water.

Also, as far as fighting Biju, I'd say he's more than fast enough to avoid any and all attacks including biju dama. He is as strong as or stronger than the A (Yondaime Raikage). A is has biju levels of chakra and is significantly faster than any biju, to boot. 😄

I just cant see 30m/s being fast enough for the feet not to break the surface. The 70 mph bikes maybe, but wheels aren't stabbing the water like running would mmm

Hayato's about the same speed or slower than A and Cloaked B, dunno if he can dodge a BD but he wont escape the blast radius. :I

Originally posted by BloodRain
I just cant see 30m/s being fast enough for the feet not to break the surface. The 70 mph bikes maybe, but wheels aren't stabbing the water like running would mmm

Hayato's about the same speed or slower than A and Cloaked B, dunno if he can dodge a BD but he wont escape the blast radius. :I

We have a definitive speed of 4500+ miles per hour kick from Hayato: that's with him holding back. He may actually be holding back and using only .002% o his full power (from what is said earlier) which would make the speed feat even more stupid. So, no, A doesn't even come close to the striking speed of Hayato: Hayato would be absurdly faster.

Add in his supersonic-hypersonic running speed on water (alone) and that would make him more than fast enough to escape a biju-dama's blast.

/If/ the Mach 10 feat holds then he'd need to double to speed to match Pain's speed. Faster for Cloaked B/A/RM Naruto, and even faster for Full RM Naruto and the Bijuus.

Normal BDs are 6km in diameter, so he'd have to move 3km before it explodes which is above super/hypersonic speed.

Yeah the absurd amount that Hayato was holding back was what I was talking about when saying that he's powerscaled. Still freakishly fast but that percentage he was holding back is stupid even by HSDK members. Though he can chuck tanks and catch helecopters IIRC.

Kenichi loses all fights

1. Kenichi, easily.

2. Tough to say. Kano took out 3 members of the "Alliance" in a flash. He's got old school Quicksilver speed in the way he fights. But....so does Lee. I'd give speed and strength to Lee, though. Lee wins, even if even with Kano, just because Lee can go gates. Sure, the One Shadow Nine Fist group has a similar technique to gates (and it kills the person, too..if used too excessively, just like gates), but Kano was never seen using it. But, again, this goes to Lee 8 out of 10 times. Good matchup, though.

3. Miu, 10 out of 10 times, easily. Sakura is just not fast enough to keep up with Miu.

4. Apachai is definitely much faster and stronger than Oro. Oro, however, has genjutsu. So, I give this to Oro simply due to Oro's versatility.

5. Elder, easily. This is not much of a fight. In fact, pretty much most master class fighters would make short work of any bijuu due to the speed differences. Most will be able to outrun or "jump" from a biju-dama.

Originally posted by BloodRain
/If/ the Mach 10 feat holds

We can't deny on panel evidence and it wasn't hyperbole, either: they slowed the camera down to 1/1000 of a second and his foot just began to blur. At 1/500 of a second, his foot still appeared to be sitting still.

And, supposedly, he was holding back to an absurd degree.

Originally posted by BloodRain
then he'd need to double to speed to match Pain's speed. Faster for Cloaked B/A/RM Naruto, and even faster for Full RM Naruto and the Bijuus.

That should be no problem since he was only at .002%. lol

But, yes, he's much much much faster than any Naruto character, by far. There's no chance any Naruto character has to tag or even touch the Elder. Much less any Elite Master Class fighter from HSDK.

And Pain does not move at 9000 mph.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Normal BDs are 6km in diameter, so he'd have to move 3km before it explodes which is above super/hypersonic speed.

That should be well within his range of speed. 🙂

Now what? 🙂

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Yeah the absurd amount that Hayato was holding back was what I was talking about when saying that he's powerscaled. Still freakishly fast but that percentage he was holding back is stupid even by HSDK members. Though he can chuck tanks and catch helecopters IIRC.

He's supposed to be able to take on all the Ryōzanpaku masters, at once, and win, according to Sakake.

But, yes, the .002% thing and still pulling off a 4500mph kick is stupid. There's a reason they call him The Invincible Superman, I suppose. He was supposed to have taken on 500 masters, at once, and won, when he was in his 20s. Master Class fighters in HSDK are absurdly powerful...which makes Hayato just ridiculous. How is Kenichi supposed to defeat him so he can date Miu?

Originally posted by dadudemon
How is Kenichi supposed to defeat him so he can date Miu?

Probably the same way he "beat" Mr. X. 😉

Unless there's a trick to his invincibility. Maybe something like Kenshiro's secret "Dragons Breath" technique, that greatly enhances his stats.

Originally posted by dadudemon

3. Miu, 10 out of 10 times, easily. Sakura is just not fast enough to keep up with Miu.

I agree with this. Miu wouldn't survive even a single hit, though.

If Sakura can flush poison directly out of the system, you'd think she could convert that to an attack. Leech away someones blood, maybe.

Originally posted by cdtm
I agree with this. Miu wouldn't survive even a single hit, though.

I agree with this. Sakura has the strength of a master class fighter: she can punch multi-ton iron blocks dozens of feet.

Miu is still a disciple class.

Originally posted by BloodRain

5. Nine Tails. No ninja without a mangekyou sharingan, Wood techs or a demon inside can compete with another demon. Hayato would still be stronger than any of the Kage.

*Cough*3rd Raikage*Cough*

Meant the living Kage.

Then again, how would 7 gates Gai compete with the 3rd or a Bijuu?

I'd wager Onoki could take out a Bijuu, provided he was faster in using his attack. 313

Depends on how many and how often he can toss out Afternoon Tigers in the time he has. I guess.