John Egbert vs Kratos

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John Egbert vs Kratos

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John gets Appearified into the GoWverse and pisses Kratos off with how brick dumb and childish he is. They start a fight and are at least 30 meters apart.

John is from Homestuck and has wind manipulation powers and Kratos is from God of War and has superstrength, durability and tons of nifty items.

Kratos gets all his feats from his games plus the novels. John is current.

What feats does John have? If all it is wind manipulation, then aside from sucking the oxygen away from Kratos's area, I'm not sure what he could do to pull a win here.

He drilled to the centre of a planet with a tornado with such force that the whole planet shook, created a continent-sized tornado to put out a huge fire. He can fly at hypersonic speeds (flew from the centre of a planet to the surface in a few seconds) and has relativistic reactions (had a long conversation inside 3 nanoseconds) and can one-shot building sized monsters.

Admittedly I think that last thing might not matter so much.

Homestuck is gay.

You're just sad that a goofy 12 year old nerd can beat Kratos' teeth in.

Reported for making a spite thread.

It's not a spite thread. I thought Kratos was supposed to be really fast. John doesn't have that many speed feats outside of that conversation thing and he's been blitzed before.

Although John is immortal. As long as he doesn't die in a heroic manner.

Kratos isn't relativistic.

I'm iffy on the relativism thing.

As in, I don't know where the OBD is getting that from.

From a nanosecond conversation?

3 nanoseconds is light speed, 300 is relativistic.

I'm pretty sure that its not true after checking up on it.

At one point John is traveling at the speed of light over the space of a yard and does have a conversation during that time.

But it takes them 3 years to cross that yard even moving at the speed of light so I'm pretty sure it doesn't count.

Yard the garden or yard the unit of measurement?

Yard as in they're on that yellow ship. They should be traveling near the speed of light across a distance of one yard, giving them about three nanoseconds before they crash through the other window. It takes them 3 years from John's perspective to cross that space. The two windows they're travelling through are windows into 2 different universes. Thats the author standing there. In his super-fast robot body.

That's just how Homestuck rolls.

Hm. Either time moving slow at the speed of light or, most likely, the shit that happens between two universes.

Their reactions during this /are/ relativistic-lightspeed+ compared to the universe, but in that place its just a normal 3 year journy(?). The feat had nothing to do with the characters, can't call this a speed feat.

Time stops at the speed of light you assclown.

Yeah it might be time dilation.

For the record people did ask the author about this and this was his answer:

'Did you realize that you got time dilation backwards in the intermission(assuming, of course, that paradox space even vaguely resembles special relativity)?

Yeah. That would be stupid if I didn’t realize that.

There are a variety of answers to this, and I’ll save the one I like best for last.

Quick answer A: It’s a fictionalized version of relativity, inverted for [reasons]. Not unlike the fictionalized forms of special and general relativity used in Problem Sleuth for basic reasons of absurdity. (Wait, this silly thing is a better link)

Quick answer B: GAGS AHOY. We just saw robo-me holding a nanosecond stopwatch, with the hand whipping around at about 0.3C, then I ran over and threw a curtain over the walls before time was up. This sure is some ridiculous bullshit in here. If the intent of a “minimally” meddlesome author is, for smarter or dumber, to give these heroes a three year “catch up journey” of quiet downtime, what better place to cram those years than into the space of 3 nanoseconds? Or better yet, what more HILARIOUS place? Q E mother****in D.

Answer that is full of questions, a.k.a. PEDANTBUSTER_XXX: Are we really THAT far from the situation being physically reconcilable in some way? How much do we actually know about the situation? What are the scales and magnitudes here? How small are they? Is everything rendered to scale from my vantage, or is that more symbolic? What does shrinking something to do the physics? Are the two frames of reference physically commutable? Are there things about my universe that differ from the one they just exited, and they continue to abide? Jade did just call this a “realm with unusual spatial properties” after all. There is so much we don’t know about the situation, it’s impossible to make a ruling based on hard science alone.

The because AH’s author insert says so answer: AH said he would limit his intervention to the space of one yard and the duration of three nanoseconds, and so far he has lived up to that promise. And bearing in mind that he also at the very least COSPLAYS as a hero of space, it would seem his intervention might include purposefully stretching the amount of space they have to traverse, from their perpective. In other words, while I did promise to influence the story over only 1 yard and 3 ns, I didn’t say it would also be 1 yard and 3 ns IN THEIR RELATIVISTIC FRAME OF REFERENCE! (It’s the oldest gotcha in the book!!!) They are actually getting jerked around to the tune of 3 lightyears and 3 years. Does this seem like outrageous chicanery from an author insert claiming minimal intervention? Yes. But if such divine meddling is inappropriate here, where a towering mechanical avatar of an author-god stands present, then where is it appropriate? Nowhere is where. And maybe… just maybe… nowhere IS where.

Regardless, if you accept that answer, all that’s left to explain is the author’s motivation for doing so, which brings me to my final answer and also

The real answer: Homestuck-time and real-time have always been married in a strange way. I started it on 4/13/09, and by my own rule, that became locked in as the date in the story too. And then it became stuck there, for one day of Homestuck-time, while real-time flowed normally for two and a half years. When they scratched the game and reset the universe, it was time for me to start over too. So again by my own rule, I put up the first pages of the new story and grafted the story date to the real date, 11/11/11. The new kids, in a way, have been waiting almost 3 years since the beginning of Homestuck to take their place in the story, and have aged accordingly. They have done their time in the shadows, living uneventfully. And now the stated objective of the original kids is to join the new game. It is apparently John and Jade’s turn to wait, in sort of a prolonged narrative hybernation, while we spend time expanding on the new kids and their Very Long Day. If they are to eventually meet, it will be as approximate equals in age, and no, not so that everybody can get busy kissin’ or whatever. For more fundamental reasons, that have to do with the way HS-time relates to real-time, and essentially repairing the schism between these two clocks which resulted from the fact that about 24 hours of story took nearly three years to make.

And understanding that, I think the explanation that works best is not necessarily a physical, relativistic one, but more of a metaphysical idea. That when they crashed through the wall, they have presumably entered the real world, albeit for only 1 yard from our vantage. They have gone from HS-time to real-time. Given the schism between clocks, you could say they are faced with a rush of lost time, all at once. Like massive temporal wind resistance. So in crossing the yellow yard, they are forced to live every second that passed here in the real world which they did not experience in their fictional adventure. It’s the toll they have to pay before breaking through the other side and joining the others.

As I said, this is the explanation I prefer. But there are a bunch of ways to approach the issue.

Back to H questions.'

Although it gets muddy in that other characters in Homestuck are pretty legit relativistic.

I didn't read any of that.

Homestuck is for pussies.

Even without the relativistic reactions John could kick Kratos' ass.

Fear his Pajamas and giant hood.

Ooo.. that's a lot of words that you didn't highlight where I'm meant to look, jerk.

Does it explain/mean that John did what he did in 3nanoseconds without his reactions being effected by the time dilation?

Though going from the center of the planet to the surface in a few seconds is still just off relativistic.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Time stops at the speed of light you assclown.

I was thinking about approaching light shaddap >[