Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII

Started by iamberserk!3 pages
Originally posted by NemeBro
Bethesda is far better than all of those companies you named kid. Notably, Skyrim is the first Western game Famitsu gave a perfect score.

Please. Bethesda do not make great games, thay have made something addictive to a lot of people out of a simple formula, thats also incredibly oring to a lot of people. Name one artistically great thing about Skyrim? Please.

Bioware has been on sort of a slump recently, but they have still made some of the best games ever.

Hardly if you look at gameplay. Story they is still nowhere near MGS quality. Last truly great story was KotOR imo as well, mass effect just isnt the same.

In the current and recent day, Western games are superior to Japanese games.

Again, noyl if you count number of 8/10 games. At the very top, nothing beats team ico, Nintendo, or Kojima.

edit - just accept you are wrong.

Why do you keep coming back here, out of curiosity?

I mean, there's like a thousand forums out there. I've never really understood why people who re only here for a few months at most get so addicted to this place. I mean yeah, if you've been here for years than it would make sense for you to grow an attachment to the community or something, but, if you weren't here that long I don't understand why one doesn't just go somewhere else.

Are you like, the internet equivalent of Tyranids? Someone who's already been banned from a dozen forums and has nowhere else to go?

Because I have made friends here that I enjoy trolling the shit out of. 😈

Edit - I am also member of sherdog, gamefaqs, theforc,.met, official star wras forums, bioware social and twitter btw. I come here for the people plus the star wars section is also pretty cool, and it is a good medium sized forum unlike the ohers which are too big.

Originally posted by iamberserk!
Because I have made friends here that I enjoy trolling the shit out of. 😈

Edit - I am also member of sherdog, gamefaqs, theforc,.met, official star wras forums, bioware social and twitter btw. I come here for the people plus the star wars section is also pretty cool, and it is a good medium sized forum unlike the ohers which are too big.

That makes sense I suppose. To be honest though, I don't think anyone here really enjoys talking to you much.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm sure that in real life you're probably a really nice individual- probably very normal, too.

But, on the internet, well, I guess the anonymity of it all kind of just turns you into a clown. And not a funny, or interesting clown. A sad and depressing clown, who isn't very funny, and who everyone kind of wishes would just go away.

I may be pressing my luck by responding to a banned sock but eh, **** it.

Originally posted by iamberserk!
Please. Bethesda do not make great games, thay have made something addictive to a lot of people out of a simple formula, thats also incredibly oring to a lot of people. Name one artistically great thing about Skyrim? Please.

The multi-layered setting which, despite being a Fantasy setting, is designed to focus on realism, blending legend and fact so that it is hard to distinguish between each.

It's boring to people with tiny brains.

Hardly if you look at gameplay. Story they is still nowhere near MGS quality. Last truly great story was KotOR imo as well, mass effect just isnt the same.

If you look at gameplay Japanese games that aren't Nintendo have been quite boring and crappy lately. Like every JRPG ever in the past few years.

Mass Effect has a far better story than MGS though.

Again, noyl if you count number of 8/10 games. At the very top, nothing beats team ico, Nintendo, or Kojima.

Every TES (Or Bethesda really) game, the Uncharted series, most Bioware games, etc.

Originally posted by iamberserk!
Name me another series that is heavily praised for both its gameplay and storyline please. Until then you'll just have to accept that MGS is the greatest overall series there is.
Uncharted. 😐

But yes, you'll say "HURDUR IT DOESN'T COUNT LOOK AT ME GUISE IM A REBEL LAUGH AT ME" because you have no legitimate response to it, I'm not an Uncharted fan but that doesn't change the fact that the general public regard it as an excellent demonstration of a series that has both riveting gameplay and a great story.

For other examples, GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption, Assassin's Creed, and I am sure there is more I am forgetting.

Also, not everyone likes MGS's storyline (I do but that is neither here nor there), and quite a few hate the games for the fact that they are rather exposition and cutscene heavy, which are, in fact, valid complaints.

Haha, what a nerd.

Arguing with a banned sock.

I'll ban your socks.

But seriously, I don't get why some people find it so hard to conceive of opinions thaf dissent from their's. I'm kind of a jerkass and act like one such individual because I find the arguments amusing, but it's not like I fault fans of say, Devil May Cry because they like it more than God of War.

Which is why I am better than Darth Ray Park.

Ignore the socktroll.

But he's WRONG! D:

To Tzeenthc/Re: Blaxican: I have done nothing but offered my hand of friendship to you and you continue to act like an idiot/jerk. Well form now on I want you to know I no longer consider us friends and that if you ever respond to me you might as well not because you will be IGNORED.

Originally posted by NemeBro
[B]I may be pressing my luck by responding to a banned sock but eh, **** it.

The multi-layered setting which, despite being a Fantasy setting, is designed to focus on realism, blending legend and fact so that it is hard to distinguish between each.

Haha don't make me laugh. 😂

There is nothing original or artistic about the setting, you could say empty words about anything but it fools noone, I actually read a few of the books inside the game on the history and stuff and it was basic fantasy fare 101 bro. Nothing unique at all.

It's boring to people with tiny brains.

Boring to people who have played superios snadbox experience like GTA and know what a FUN sandbox game is like, which is hicgjacking cars, driving down the streets at 100 miles ph doing drivebys, going on massacres with your arsenal of guns, and striking it rich and buying hotels and casions etc.

Skyrim's version of fun is its shit magic/weapon combat system, the slow as all hell mounts that are abrely beyond walking speed, the massive environments that take forever to get through, and no variety in the snowy landscapes.

If you look at gameplay Japanese games that aren't Nintendo have been quite boring and crappy lately. Like every JRPG ever in the past few years.

Not true. New Super Mario Bros 2, Super Mario World 3D, Kid Icarus Uprising, Resident Evil Revelations, Kingdom Hearts 3D, Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker, Catherine are all really cool recent games.

Mass Effect has a far better story than MGS though.

Now you're talking crazy (I have only played ME1 so no spilers please but I already know that ME2 is supposed to be only a bit better and apparently 3 is worst of the series). Everything about MGS's story is better than Mass Effects. better characters, srtting, plot, music, grapohics, gameplay/storyline integration, everything.

The characters in ME are msotly bland and boring, and the villain was a joke. You really want to compare Saren to Ocelot or the Boss, lol? Or Ashley or Kaiden to Otacon or Meryl? Shephard to Snake? lmao. Characters in MGS blow those in ME out of the water with ease.

Setting is more original in MGS. It explores the real world and its nuclear deterrence theory but then creates unique technology that turns it on its head. Metal Gear becomes a truly terrifying threat in how it bypasses the second stage of missile deployment by using rail gun tehcnology, thereby becoming completely undetectable and being able to launch a missile anywhere without fear of retaliation, or Peace Walker in how it uses the locomation technology to become a walkign hydrogen bomb, a bomb so powerful that it could never be launched remotely via missile, equipped with decision making AI that will be programmed to launch definite retaliatory strike, thereby rendering moo the notion that a human inidivudal wouldn't have it in them to wipe out the human race in case of massive east vs west nuclear war and retaliation. Not to mention Big Boss's ideal of Outer Heaven, of an army without borders, where soldiers did not answer to politicians and would always be valued. Or the state the world gets into in MDS4, where due to a terrifying miscalculation of the AI Proxys of the Patriots, the world economy is managed and manipulate into one that relies solely on the perpetuation of war, a war without ideology or nations or human will but simply the war economy.

Plot is SO much better in MGS. It is much more complex and thought provoking (as an example, the ending to MGS2 alone has its own tv tropes page), and it just has muhc better drama, mystery and excitement. The story of how big boss and les enfants terribles all in their own way fought for their liberty and fought against Zero and his Proxy AIs, and the forming of Outer Heaven was a much more meorable and epic, and interesting story than that in Mass Effect.

Voice acting, soundtrack, graphics, art style (look at concept art, and artistic cutscenes for Peace Walker and Portable Ops, and small things such as the sneaking suits and Foxhound emblems etc., lots of great art in the games that people don't realise because of the photorelaitsic graphics) all better in MGS as well.

Much better action sequences (compate Shephards final showdown with Saren, to Ocelot and Snake's final showdown... lol), much better sense of humour, in fact all the little techincal and academic stuff that MGS is filled with is made all the more interesting because the Codex converstaions are so interesting and numerous and the characters so good and likable. Reading about, say, the life of Che Guavara in a history book to most people would be kind of boring, but when you do it in Peace Walker its so interesting because the converstaions between Big Boss and say, Kaz, ae so well written, creating a very beleivalbe chemistry between the two, making it feel like a real natural conversation, and making a lot of them extremely humerous.

I'd even argue that the integration of story and gamplay is much better for MGS tghan ME. In Men the entire story is basically choice based so people would usually say it would be better. But MGS has best of both worlds. It has awesome, non-interactive cinematic cutscenes, which obviously have big advanatge over interactive ones in the sense that you can direct them and script them in a single, exCT WYA TO maximise dramatic value etc. But MGS also has probably the very best story/gameplay interaction in all of gaming. Just look at the Psycho Mantis battle, and all the psychic 4th wall shit he pulls off and hos you have to do stuff like change the controller port to prevent him from reading your mind. Or the battle against the End and how you can cause him to die of old age by changing the clock time of your games console. Or how in the battle with The Sorrow where you repatedly die and go to the game over screen, the only way to exit the battle is by QUITTING THE GAME! Or replaying through the first part of MGS1 when you revisit Shadow Moses in MGS4. MGS is filled with the very best gameplay/story interaction there is in gaming.

Every TES (Or Bethesda really) game,

TES doesn;t have new or interesting gameplay, plot, or art style. It is just big game with lots of conent and high production values. It relies on tapping into a structure of game that draws lots of people in (and alienates a lot of others) but it is by no means a great game, conceptually on paper of even in practise when you analyse it.

the Uncharted series,

Again, only special thing about this is probably the production values and graphics. Gampley is nothing special, just a hybrid of multiple types. Storyline is cliched and predictable. Nothing special about art style. The truth is that the current state of videogame players get easily pleased by certain types of unremarkable games and don;t fully appreciate the better, more profound ones out there, which is why something loike Uncharted that at best aspires to emulate a B action movie gets such praise.

most Bioware games, etc.

KotOR was the best Bioware game to date and its still not as good as those I mentioned. They all have really good stories, but very average gameplay.

Originally posted by NemeBro
[B]Uncharted. 😐

But yes, you'll say "HURDUR IT DOESN'T COUNT LOOK AT ME GUISE IM A REBEL LAUGH AT ME" because you have no legitimate response to it, I'm not an Uncharted fan but that doesn't change the fact that the general public regard it as an excellent demonstration of a series that has both riveting gameplay and a great story.

OK I know I said praise, but we should still try not to include stuff that is extremely overrated. I would give you something like Mass Effect for its story. Uncharted... anybody who thinks it has a great story is delusional. It aspires to be a generic B action movie, there is nothing unique or itneresting about it, nothing profound, it is at best a "fun" story, nobody would seriously try to compare it to something as original, detailed and itneresting as MGS.

Likewise with the gameplay, there truly is nothing special about it. It has basic climbing elements, melee fighting, and third person shooting mechanics. Nothing unique or mindblowingly brilliant.

For other examples, GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption,

Bro, I'm a massive GTA fan, but it does not have a great story. Entertaining in ways, but it is mostly a humerous, entertaining gangster themed story but there is nothing really thought provoking or interesting about it.

Assassin's Creed, and I am sure there is more I am forgetting.

I Played AC1 and the story is utterly unremarkable, and I'm pretty sure it didnt get much praise for it either.

Also, not everyone likes MGS's storyline (I do but that is neither here nor there), and quite a few hate the games for the fact that they are rather exposition and cutscene heavy, which are, in fact, valid complaints.

Not everyone likes it in the same sense that a lot of p[oeple find Citizen Kain borijgn. Doesnt change the fact that its something great, and deep down most people acknowledge that ui objectively has a lot of great thungs going for it, such as the soundtrack (Harry Gregson Williams, one of the best movie composers ever), voice acting, graphics, pioneering ghameplay, unique ideas and lengthy, detailed, and compklex story etc. MGS has a lot of irrational, biased haters for some reasonl, but they are ultimately irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Read my former post regarding cutscenes. MGS has best of both worlds.

At best you can try your hardest to find things that have been rpaised for both but deep down you will know that it is not comparable to MGS.

Gameplay - MGS pioneered an entire genre of gameplay (stealth), consistently has some of the most polished and versatile stealth action gameplay (numerous weapin,s gadgets and stealth maneuvres, numerous wyas of progressing through the game, cna choose to go through it without killing a single person etc.), has some of nthe most epib boss battles of all times, has numerous iconic moments that truly does something itneresting and innovative with gameplay design, is jam packed full of content (you have stealth/action gameplay with numerous weapons and gadgets and ways of progressing through scenarios, lots of unique, scripted boss battles and gampeay sgements that swtich the gameplay up, bomb disposal segments, vehicular combat, escort missions, tracking people through a jungle, following somebody through a city, gaining trust and reception of different groups in hostile areeas, recruiting your own army and expanding your own business, outdoor survival in the jungle etc.). Onlky game you mentioned that is comaprable to it in this wya would be GTA, but even then GTA doesn;t switch it up with each nstallment quite like MGS does.

Story - MGS pioneered the cinematuic approach to storytelling in games, has the longest cinematics and most detailed stories otu of any game, they are incredibly complex, incredibly thought provoking, very interesting, each one has a real message and artistic journey to it, interesting and unique characters, technology,l emotional story, mindblwoing plot twists, extremely good sense of humour, interesting converstaions between your characters, as many and as itneresting villains as heroes, extremely original, educational, and in plain general just awesome, interestign stories. Hollywood level production values, iconic boice atcing, incredible action sequences, incredible soundtrack, everything about the storyline is perfect really. Nothing comapres to it in this regard, and your claim that ME has a better story is downright laughable. ME has great writing and really good branching scenarios etc, but tbh it feels more like they just wnated to fit a story into a choce driven rpg and mass effect is what they camr up with. MGS on the other hand you can just tell that the story came first and that its a story Hideo Kojima really wanted to tell, its just so meaningful and epic and memorable and itneresting and just plain awesome. A lot of people praise being able to talk to your companions on your ship in games like ME and KotOR which I also love but the Codex conversations in MGS put them to shame.

Fact of the matter is that MGS gets lots of haters and detractors but any objective person will see that it has BY FAR the most to offer out of any videogame, ever.