Both are Dathomorians with probably similar Force sensitivity.
But one was thoroughly trained by Sidious since he was a child, whilst the other was Semi-Trained by Dooku as an adult.
Lightsaber skills- As of TPM Maul's Combat Skills were definitely superior. But I'm not sure to what degree Current Maul has retained all that skill and training.
Still might be a good fight. But HAS to be Maul for the large majority.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bah, she was just getting beat on by Savage's monster strength. Maul doesn't have that.
No he just has Monster Mechanical legs to beat on her with(as of now) which are especially deadly with his combat training.
Originally posted by Harbinger
Maul looked good against Obi-Wan, but Ventress has consistently stalemated Kenobi
Well Kenobi did beat her in the CW Movie. But apart from that it's pretty obvious he holds back more against Ventress than he does against Maul.
Originally posted by Harbinger
and held up against both him and Anakin.
Maul could likely do that for a short time with 2 Sabers. Since both Savage and Ventress have managed to do so, I don't see why Maul couldn't as long as he has 2 Sabers.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No he just has Monster Mechanical legs to beat on her with(as of now) which are especially deadly with his combat training.
Legs which apparently he's unaccustomed to.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well Kenobi did beat her in the CW Movie. But apart from that it's pretty obvious he holds back more against Ventress than he does against Maul.
Which isn't a good thing. Maul clearly used Don Moch on Kenobi during their duel to unbalance him and get him enraged.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
I like Ventress more but considering that she's been embarrassed time and again like Grievous, I'd probably give Maul the win.Not counting the CW cartoon though, I'd argue that she would take it.
She's also embarrassed others time and again. She kicked Grievous' ass recently, she's defeated Kit Fisto and when Luminara called her technique sloppy Ventress responded by swiftly defeating her.
Not to mention that Obi-Wan and Sidious are going to be embarrassing Maul in due time. Obi-Wan in particular pwns him and Opress it would seem.
I don't watch the cartoon so I wouldn't know- I've only seen a couple of her fights (the one in the movie where Obi-Wan beat her without even using a weapon) and a couple of the episodes.
I read about Obi-Wan embarrassing them both though. I can't wait.
edit- Defeating Grievous is never a feat, though. Gungans > Grievous.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Legs which apparently he's unaccustomed to.
Well "logically" it should take him time to get accustomed. But his use of them was still good enough to kick Obi-Wan around.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Which isn't a good thing. Maul clearly used Don Moch on Kenobi during their duel to unbalance him and get him enraged.
That was quite late in the fight. And not necessarily to Maul's advantage seeing as when Padawan Obi-Wan got enraged he was matching a fully trained Maul in Sabers.
Originally posted by Nephthys
She's also embarrassed others time and again. She kicked Grievous' ass recently, she's defeated Kit Fisto and when Luminara called her technique sloppy Ventress responded by swiftly defeating her.
Yeah and Maul's also defeated noteworthy Jedi Masters. But that was TPM Maul. But current Maul is due to soundly defeat
Spoiler:who battered Ventress in the last episode and will batter and kill
Opress
Spoiler:in the next.
Adi
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not to mention that Obi-Wan and Sidious are going to be embarrassing Maul in due time. Obi-Wan in particular pwns him and Opress it would seem.
I don't think Obi-Wan is due to defeat Maul at any point. And they are due to fight a few times. It's
Spoiler:he solidly defeats.
Opress
And he fights them both off with 2 Sabers but I don't see how that's any different to Ventress or Savage using 2 Blades to fight off (and sometimes embarrass) Obi-Wan and Anakin.
As for Sidious embarrassing them.. Lol. As if Sidious wouldn't embarass Obi-Wan and Ventress. The fact that he uses 2 Sabers to get the job done actually gives the Maul brothers more credit.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
I don't watch the cartoon so I wouldn't know- I've only seen a couple of her fights (the one in the movie where Obi-Wan beat her without even using a weapon) and a couple of the episodes.I read about Obi-Wan embarrassing them both though. I can't wait.
edit- Defeating Grievous is never a feat, though. Gungans > Grievous.
It's a shame about Gungans vs Grievous.
The only defense I can think of (an excuse really) was that he used 2 blades not 4 (I think). And that gungan he killed got him by surprise when GG was gloating that's he's killed him.
Using two lightsabers isn't an advantage unless the individual is skilled and trained to use two lightsabers- thus I don't see how that's really relevant.
edit- Yeah the Gungan fight is the lowest point in that show, from what I've seen. They really butchered his character. It's almost as if the writers hate him.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Using two lightsabers isn't an advantage unless the individual is skilled and trained to use two lightsabers- thus I don't see how that's really relevant.
Well Obi-Wan must be skilled at Jar Kai to accomplish that feat.
I'm just pointing out it's been done against Obi-Wan and Anakin by Savage and Ventress, so don't see why Obi-Wan using 2 Blades to fight off Opress and Maul is any different.
Especially since it's after he witnesses
Spoiler:
Opress killing Adi
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
edit- Yeah the Gungan fight is the lowest point in that show, from what I've seen. They really butchered his character. It's almost as if the writers hate him.
Filoni sticks to the line in ROTS where Mace tells Palpatine that GG is a coward and will run like he always does to justify his butchering of the character.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well "logically" it should take him time to get accustomed. But his use of them was still good enough to kick Obi-Wan around.
After Obi-Wan had been knocked out and beaten up. Plus Ventress has fought Grievous before, so it's not like she's unaccustomed to mechanical limbs.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That was quite late in the fight. And not necessarily to Maul's advantage seeing as when Padawan Obi-Wan got enraged he was matching a fully trained Maul in Sabers.
And according to the TPM novel, Obi-Wan getting enraged is what allowed Maul to beat him. Maul turned his own anger upon him.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah and Maul's also defeated noteworthy Jedi Masters. But that was TPM Maul. But current Maul is due to soundly defeatSpoiler:who battered Ventress in the last episode and will batter and kill
OpressSpoiler:in the next.
Adi
A>B>C, amiright?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I don't think Obi-Wan is due to defeat Maul at any point. And they are due to fight a few times. It'sSpoiler:he solidly defeats.
OpressAnd he fights them both off with 2 Sabers but I don't see how that's any different to Ventress or Savage using 2 Blades to fight off (and sometimes embarrass) Obi-Wan and Anakin.
As for Sidious embarrassing them.. Lol. As if Sidious wouldn't embarass Obi-Wan and Ventress. The fact that he uses 2 Sabers to get the job done actually gives the Maul brothers more credit.
If he fights Opress and Maul at the same time and still manages to take Opress' arm off (fvck your spoiler tags), then he is likely above Maul as well since Maul was unable to stop him or pressure him enough to prevent him form getting into that situation.
I was simply making the point that Ventress isn't the only one being embarrassed by superior opponents in Clone Wars.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's a shame about Gungans vs Grievous.The only defense I can think of (an excuse really) was that he used 2 blades not 4 (I think). And that gungan he killed got him by surprise when GG was gloating that's he's killed him.
Grievous was slaughtering them until whatshisface caught him by surprise. It wasn't a try loss.
Originally posted by NephthysAnd according to the TPM novel, Obi-Wan getting enraged is what allowed Maul to beat him. Maul turned his own anger upon him.
Well he fought him on even terms and split his lightsaber and even floored him. So his rage enhanced him enough to give him a decent chance. But he was always going to ultimately be outmatched as a padawan,
Originally posted by Nephthys
A>B>C, amiright?
No, I wasn't actually using that to prove Maul>Ventress. It was in response to you saying Ventress has beaten and embarrassed notable Jedi. Pointing out that obviously Maul can too if he can easily take Savage. And he is supposed to "Easily" take him. Yeah I'm screwing spoiler tags. Everyone's reading them anyway.
Originally posted by Nephthys
If he fights Opress and Maul at the same time and still manages to take Opress' arm off (fvck your spoiler tags), then he is likely above Maul as well since Maul was unable to stop him or pressure him enough to prevent him form getting into that situation.
I'm not sure about that. When Ventress floored and disarmed Obi-Wan while fighting off Anakin did that make Ventress > Anakin?? Nah of course it didn't.
But tbh not saying your wrong. Just pointing out the flaw in your logic. I have doubts how formidable "Current" Maul is after reading this:
IGN: With Maul, I felt it was a bit like you approached Boba Fett. Maul got rebuilt, he got back his sanity and focus – but he still wasn't quite Phantom Menace Maul, flipping all over the place – and he didn't have a double-sided lightsaber. Was that something else where you thought, "He can't just instantly be thatbadass again"?
Filoni: Definitely. In my opinion, he did really well for being out of the business for about ten years. To come back in and take down Obi-Wan, leaping around on velociraptor legs, he did pretty good. It's an interesting dilemma having him on these weird legs, because he can't instantly fight in the style that you remember Maul fighting in. So Sam really had to bring it through voice and through expression of animation in the face. But there's some twists coming up for Maul, that's for sure. He's far more cunning and well-trained in how to be a Sith than people think. He's not just all about being an enforcer. He got a good education from his master, and we're going to put that into effect next season for sure.
He's also at one point compared him to Vader in how physically broken he is.
So it seems like Current Maul isn't in the shape he was at the time of TPM, and seems like they've not brought him back to be Uber Powerful, but to show his intellectual side more. And how all that training from Sidious makes him a more galactic scale threat. You know through his mega brain that Sidious trained.
That's way better than being a mere assassin/bounty hunter like Ventress 😛
But honestly I think he's the perfect nemesis for Obi-Wan. Because neither of them are Uber Powerful but they are both kind of the perfectly learned/trained Jedi and Sith for their power level.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Why Adi is this, btw? Adi Gallia?
Yep.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well he fought him on even terms and split his lightsaber and even floored him. So his rage enhanced him enough to give him a decent chance. But he was always going to ultimately be outmatched as a padawan,
No, the text explicitly notes that Maul turned his rage back on to him and it was what led to his defeat.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No, I wasn't actually using that to prove Maul>Ventress. It was in response to you saying Ventress has beaten and embarrassed notable Jedi. Pointing out that obviously Maul can too if he can easily take Savage. And he is supposed to "Easily" take him. Yeah I'm screwing spoiler tags. Everyone's reading them anyway.
And I was only pointing out that she's embarrassed people because Blax said that she's been embarrassed herself, which he used as an example for why Ventress would lose. You're the one who made it about Ventress vs Maul by pointing out that Maul can supposedly do it too. And the way that you pointed out that Maul beats Opress who beat Ventress naturally looks a hell of a lot like an ABC argument.
By still, he hasn't yet, so we shall have to see how easily he does it.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I'm not sure about that. When Ventress floored and disarmed Obi-Wan while fighting off Anakin did that make Ventress > Anakin?? Nah of course it didn't.
It might. Ventress is clearly very close to their level and has been shown to be able to fight both of them quite well consistently. In the movie she kicks his ass easily, in the duel in question not only does she take out Kenobi in about 5 seconds but she smashes Anakin into a wall (whereas he only made her slide backwards) and then Force Chokes Anakin and Obi-Wan at the same time.
To be honest I think Blax was talking out of his ass when he talked about her being humiliated in the Clone Wars. Apart from against Yoda and that stupid movie she's done quite well at avoiding getting punked.
To more thoroughly answer your question though its a bizzare bit of PIS. Before she takes out Kenobi Anakin backs off entirely for no reason, allowing her to kick Kenobi's ass. He literally leaps backwards out of the fight. And then theres the fact that Obi-Wan apparently has a glass jaw.
But tbh not saying your wrong. Just pointing out the flaw in your logic. I have doubts how formidable "Current" Maul is after reading this:
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
[b]IGN: With Maul, I felt it was a bit like you approached Boba Fett. Maul got rebuilt, he got back his sanity and focus – but he still wasn't quite Phantom Menace Maul, flipping all over the place – and he didn't have a double-sided lightsaber. Was that something else where you thought, "He can't just instantly be thatbadass again"?Filoni: Definitely. In my opinion, he did really well for being out of the business for about ten years. To come back in and take down Obi-Wan, leaping around on velociraptor legs, he did pretty good. It's an interesting dilemma having him on these weird legs, because he can't instantly fight in the style that you remember Maul fighting in. So Sam really had to bring it through voice and through expression of animation in the face. But there's some twists coming up for Maul, that's for sure. He's far more cunning and well-trained in how to be a Sith than people think. He's not just all about being an enforcer. He got a good education from his master, and we're going to put that into effect next season for sure.
He's also at one point compared him to Vader in how physically broken he is.
So it seems like Current Maul isn't in the shape he was at the time of TPM, and seems like they've not brought him back to be Uber Powerful, but to show his intellectual side more. And how all that training from Sidious makes him a more galactic scale threat. You know through his mega brain that Sidious trained.
That's way better than being a mere assassin/bounty hunter like Ventress 😛
But honestly I think he's the perfect nemesis for Obi-Wan. Because neither of them are Uber Powerful but they are both kind of the perfectly learned/trained Jedi and Sith for their power level.[/b]
Ok.