You'd have to arbitrarily decide that Thing > Namor based off a single fight and then consciously decide to ignore everything you know about Namor just because this is a recent comic and somehow "counts" more than decades worth of canon.
That's without realizing said fight is borderline PIS-y to begin with. It's an astounding leap of logic that makes no sense.
Black Adam wins and does so comfortably, but he's not going to spite stomp Namor.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Scans? I must see this to see if it's being blown out of proportion or not.
Happened in JSA. It's typical street level PIS. She used Judo or some crap to throw him.
Not indicative of Black Adam's overall formidability in any case and definitely "worse" than having Thing rough up Namor underwater.
Point is, using low feats/PIS to discredit an character's entire history is retarded.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
I read namor comics, Black Adam would tear his F*ckin head off like he did to amazoBlack Adam would tear his F*ckin limbs off, and push his brains out his F*cking head
I guess I forgot who I was talking to.
Amazo's showings fluctuate wildly, especially his durability. He was shown being harmed by phucking batarangs once.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
She tossed Black Adam against his own will. That's more embarassing than someone with decent high end feats of his own (Thing) doing extremely well against Namor, which is a low end feat for him as well. Neither example trumps consistent showings, though which is my point.But yeah, if you want to use a single example of Namor looking bad in an event which is terribly written to begin with to justify ignoring and downplaying his entire history as a whole just because it's "recent", go for it. You'd be wrong and look like a fool to make such a stupid stance, but okay. 👆
Originally posted by zopzop
He didn't do "extremely well" against Namor. He OWNED him in his own element. Don't you get it? He even punched harder than him, according the the AvX captions. Thing > Namor (in or out of water) and Black Adam >>>>Thing > Namor. So yes, he'd stomp the phuck out of Namor.
The fact you typed this all out and somehow don't question it's validity while simultaneously ignoring literally everything else about Namor because AvX "counts" more or it's "recent" is sad.
You honestly don't see why that's phucking retarded?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The fact you typed this all out and somehow don't question it's validity while simultaneously ignoring literally everything else about Namor because AvX "counts" more or it's "recent" is sad.You honestly don't see why that's phucking retarded?
According to them, Thing > Namor, in or out of water. Cry all you want, that's how it is NOW. It may change LATER, but as of NOW, Thing > Namor. And Black Adam >>>>>>>>> either. So yeah, BA stomps.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Happened in JSA. It's typical street level PIS. She used Judo or some crap to throw him.Not indicative of Black Adam's overall formidability in any case and definitely "worse" than having Thing rough up Namor underwater.
Point is, using low feats/PIS to discredit an character's entire history is retarded.
Issue? I have I think every issue of JSA(although I haven't read half of them yet) so I'll find it.
Originally posted by zopzop
How is it retarded? This is THE event. They are phasing out some of the X-books and merging them with the Avengers, that's how big it is. It has ALL of Marvel's top dogs working on it.According to them, Thing > Namor, in or out of water. Cry all you want, that's how it is NOW. It may change LATER, but as of NOW, Thing > Namor. And Black Adam >>>>>>>>> either. So yeah, BA stomps.
Except events don't retcon previous histories...?
At this point, you're just being obstinate. Or you really do believe an event contradicts decades worth of showings just because its hyped as a summer blockbuster (like most Marvel events). You might have a point if this event was literally erasing histories and canon through time warps or reality bullshit, but that's not the case.
It's a single comic which was badly written to begin with with elements of PIS (which per forum rules, are inadmissible).
If you take both Namor and Black Adam as a whole with all showings, good and bad, and summed up an average (like PR has repeatedly state people should in the versus forum), there's no possible way this is a stomp.
Basically, your entire arguments is summed up by "This was such a bad showing that I'm going to ignore everything else about Namor". Which is, to be frank, ridiculous.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Issue? I have I think every issue of JSA(although I haven't read half of them yet) so I'll find it.
Can't think of the exact issue #, but it will be the first volume (JSA, not Justice Society of America) and in this issue, Black Adam also had his superspeed fight with Jay Garrick and Dr. Fate had to go back to ancient Egypt to stop Black Adam.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Except events don't retcon previous histories...?At this point, you're just being obstinate. Or you really do believe an event contradicts decades worth of showings just because its hyped as a summer blockbuster (like most Marvel events). You might have a point if this event was literally erasing histories and canon through time warps or reality bullshit, but that's not the case.
It's a single comic which was badly written to begin with with elements of PIS (which per forum rules, are inadmissible).
If you take both Namor and Black Adam as a whole with all showings, good and bad, and summed up an average (like PR has repeatedly state people should in the versus forum), there's no possible way this is a stomp.
Basically, your entire arguments is summed up by "This was such a bad showing that I'm going to ignore everything else about Namor". Which is, to be frank, ridiculous.
According to Marvel writers Thing > Namor. Face it. You don't have to like it, but you can't ignore it. BA >>>>>Thing > Namor. Hence, BA stomps.
Originally posted by zopzop
It's not "a" summer event, it's THE event this decade. ALL of Marvel's top dogs are on this turd AND they phasing out some X-books in the aftermath of this event. It doesn't get more important than that.According to Marvel writers Thing > Namor. Face it. You don't have to like it, but you can't ignore it. BA >>>>>Thing > Namor. Hence, BA stomps.
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So, yes, you feel we should ignore everything else about Namor to say nothing of the forum rules due to one comic in one event (lol at calling this the event of the decade and thinking it's going to be massively important historically...especially considering Marvel's claimed that about every event ever since Disassembled)?
According to one comic - not Marvel writers as a whole - Thing got the better of Namor. And according to you, because of the significance of this event, it holds priority to everything ever concerning Namor.
Don't see how that's flawed even just a little bit?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Can't think of the exact issue #, but it will be the first volume (JSA, not Justice Society of America) and in this issue, Black Adam also had his superspeed fight with Jay Garrick and Dr. Fate had to go back to ancient Egypt to stop Black Adam.
Found it. And nah dude, that is not what you're making it out to be. All she did was throw him off-balance when he probably wasn't expecting it at all, considering how arrogant he was being. It's not like Adam is massively heavier than a non-powered human.
I understand your point and agree with you, but this is not the example you should be using. She didn't hurt him, she didn't overpower him, she just threw him off-balance when he wasn't expecting it. To compare that to Thing who's had trouble with him out of the water, in Namor's OWN ELEMENT where he'll be at full-strength and have superior mobility is ridiculous.
Better examples for Black Adam to bring-up would be random tech Roullete(or however it was spelled) had weakening his powers, or(although I've only read about it so there could be extenuating circumstances I'm unaware of) Adam losing to Billy even though he was power-sharing AND had a broken arm. Those would be better to bring-up than Canary pulling-off a sacrifice throw(the technique's name).
Originally posted by Delta1938
Found it. And nah dude, that is not what you're making it out to be. All she did was throw him off-balance when he probably wasn't expecting it at all, considering how arrogant he was being. It's not like Adam is massively heavier than a non-powered human.I understand your point and agree with you, but this is not the example you should be using. She didn't hurt him, she didn't overpower him, she just threw him off-balance when he wasn't expecting it. To compare that to Thing who's had trouble with him out of the water, in Namor's OWN ELEMENT where he'll be at full-strength and have superior mobility is ridiculous.
Better examples for Black Adam to bring-up would be random tech Roullete(or however it was spelled) had weakening his powers, or(although I've only read about it so there could be extenuating circumstances I'm unaware of) Adam losing to Billy even though he was power-sharing AND had a broken arm. Those would be better to bring-up than Canary pulling-off a sacrifice throw(the technique's name).
It's typical street level PIS. Black Adam's superhumanly strong and durable and Black Canary tossing him shouldn't happen ever, no matter the circumstances, especially when his body, in spite of his weight in comparison to a regular human, is still highly resistance to kinetic energy and force.
The point is using PIS and/or low feats to justify ignoring literally everything else is ridiculous, makes no sense, and ignores the rules.