Big Boss vs The Punisher

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Yet he physically beats down men capable of tanking RPGs to the face and can stop a Metal Gear from crushing him.

Okay.

Yeah...I'm sure holding up Zeke's leg is REAL LEGIT

It's amazing how he didn't use his class 100 strength to break the bars and bust out of prison..even though he's been captured like 3-4 times over the course of one game...

He had also just had the shit beaten out of him and been tortured and shot.

Oh ok, so he was class 100, then got beaten by a guy who can't put a crack in concrete with his bare fist, then shot in the eye so he couldn't break out?

Too bad he was in jail in Portable Ops also, no torture, 100% health

And surprise surprise...he couldn't bust out...

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
He didn't physically beat down anyone, if anything the fight was a stalemate since both were exhausted but BB left because the hanger was about to blow up

Volgin was vomiting blood Snake beat him so hard.

And those bars are obviously PIS, wtf bro y u lowballin

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Volgin was vomiting blood Snake beat him so hard.

And those bars are obviously PIS, wtf bro y u lowballin

I'm simply speaking the facts, you seem to be wanking pretty hard though if you believe Big Boss is a class 100 character when his biological son couldn't break a pair of hand cuffs. If Big Boss was strong enough to hold up a giant mech's leg then Volgin would of exploded if Big Boss hit him...

His biological son was capable of beating up Grey Fox and Vamp.

And yes, he did break those cuffs.

His biological son was capable of beating a guy who was having episodic spaz attacks and a vampire without a single strength feat to his name...

Oh..and he didn't beat Vamp...he stuck a syringe in his neck...Raiden was the one who killed him

Yeah..he broke those cuffs...after they were already damaged

Even if he's spazzing out, for Snake to be capable of physically hurt him would put him well beyond peak human.

Vamp was capable of fighting Cyborg Raiden and physically retraining him. Snake had to beat him and restrain Vamp to inject him with the nano-machines.

I don't recall.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
And yes, he did break those cuffs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mx47r1GGnk

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Even if he's spazzing out, for Snake to be capable of physically hurt him would put him well beyond peak human.

Vamp was capable of fighting Cyborg Raiden and physically retraining him. Snake had to beat him and restrain Vamp to inject him with the nano-machines.

I don't recall.

Vamp never restrained Cyborg Raiden, he put him in a choke hold, that doesn't take strength. Also Raiden's strength in MGS4 was highly inconsistent, at one point he was holding back a giant ship, at others he was being restrained by Geckos

Grey Fox's exeskeleton withstood Rex stepping on it. There's that.

Cool. Vamp also blocked Raiden's HF blade with his knife, meaning he is strong enough to not have his arm torn off. And Cyborg Raiden, even at his lowest feats (What you just mentioned, being restrained by 4 Geckos), could start break-dancing with 3 still attached to him. That's still very impressive.

So? Snake's punches didn't cause any damage to Gray Fox, at the very best he caused him pain with his punches. People in life have survived falling off of buildings and getting hit by cars, that doesn't mean that I have impressive strength because I'm able to hurt them with punches

Hell in MGS4 Vamp was able to stab Raiden with regular knives

Raiden doesn't swing his sword with enough force to rip someone's arm off either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzLQMO0W9U8

Watch at 3:20

Raiden threw his sword at Vamp, he dodged it and the sword hits the Gecko behind him, the sword barely penetrates the Gecko's shell.

If you want a better example watch their fight on top of Rex, Raiden manages to hit Vamp a few times, if Raiden truly had class 100 strength, hell if he was as strong as Spiderman he would of sent Vamp flying in the other direction.

Now to be fair before that Vamp did manage to jump from the ground to the top of Rex, however Rex was it's side so I'd guess it's maybe a 20 foot jump, it's also possible that since Vamp was wearing the same tech that let the FROGS cling to walls, he might of been using the tech that let them jump high into the air in the first place..but if not at the very best it shows Vamp having strength in the peak-enhanced range since there are a few peak humans or enhanced that can jump 15-20 feet in the air. It doesn't help Snake though since at the best he put a peak human in a chokehold.

Vamp was already making 30-40 foot jumps in his fight with Raiden in MGS2. He was even somehow standing on water so dense that you immediately sink to the bottom if you even touch it.

Vamp never made 30-40 foot jumps in MGS2. The room they were fighting in wasn't even that big, and standing on that water had nothing to do with strength

He didn't stand on water, he fell through yet made it out.

He did stand on the water, watch the video again where Raiden shoots him and he dodges the bullets.

Okay he didn't only stand on water, he was submerged but was strong enough to break free.

Wait what? He got submerged after he lost to Raiden, survived because of his nano machines and came back outside the Big Shell when he killed Emma

Oh alright I see what you were talking about, he actually did jump in during the boss fight but I think being able to swim out had to do with his ability to stand on the water rather than being strong enough to get out.

Punisher beats Snake's ass.

His PIS aura can't save him here- Punisher's PIS aura's got him beat.