Originally posted by byrdgang21
Maybe if this fight wasn't Hand to Hand only.
My hatred is so strong I ignored that part of your post 😛
Tony still should be able to win... Extremis armor had an artificial spider-sense and very good combat speed. Bleeding Edge is an upgrade to Extremis, it also has enhanced agility.
Even the classic red and gold armor gave Stark a somewhat enhanced fighting speed, allowing him to surprise Count Nefaria, for example.
There are the obvious strength and durability advantages, too.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
My hatred is so strong I ignored that part of your post 😛Tony still should be able to win... Extremis armor had an artificial spider-sense and very good combat speed. Bleeding Edge is an upgrade to Extremis, it also has enhanced agility.
Even the classic red and gold armor gave Stark a somewhat enhanced fighting speed, allowing him to surprise Count Nefaria, for example.
There are the obvious strength and durability advantages, too.
Why do you hate Pete?
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
H2H only ?Spider-Man definitely wins. In every other scenario I would give it to Iron Man, but Stark isn't much of a fighter, he's way too slow.
Without flight and without his fancy weapons, Iron Man is just a slow brick, just the way Spider-Man likes them.
Fanboy alert.
Seriously, read some Iron Man comics.
Despite some of the processing speed and reaction feats Tony has, no one's claiming he's straight-up faster than Pete...right? I agree Tony wins, no question. Eventually Pete would get tagged, and IM is way more durable. But we're still talking about a speed and agility discrepancy here, in SM's favor.
Originally posted by HarbingerYes, it was.
Is that Mallen getting his ass handed to him in that first scan?EDIT: Never mind. Gone.
Originally posted by DigiDuring Civil War, Tony effortlessly dodged Pete's first few attacks before using the spider-sense he built... Tony was toying with him. So I think an argument for Tony's speed-superiority can definitely be made.
Despite some of the processing speed and reaction feats Tony has, no one's claiming he's straight-up faster than Pete...right? I agree Tony wins, no question. Eventually Pete would get tagged, and IM is way more durable. But we're still talking about a speed and agility discrepancy here, in SM's favor.
Regardless, Pete cannot cause enough(if any) lasting damage to the armor before Tony one-shots him. So faster or not, Tony wins every single time.
Originally posted by Galan007
During Civil War, Tony effortlessly dodged Pete's first few attacks before using the spider-sense he built... Tony was toying with him. So I think an argument for Tony's speed-superiority can definitely be made.Regardless, Pete cannot cause enough(if any) lasting damage to the armor before Tony one-shots him. So faster or not, Tony wins every single time.
Interesting. It's just a "history of feats" thing for me. Pete's best reaction feats are off the charts...speedsters and HH+ are generally the only ones who can go feat for feat with him. I'm familiar with Tony's best speed feats though, so I can't say I'm certain about these two in terms of speed and reactions.
I agree with the overall assessment, of course. My point was about reactions alone.
Originally posted by DigiWhere Pete's speed feats are concerned I can't say for certain, as I'm not familiar with his top feats in that area. And it is definitely logical to consider all of his speed/reaction feats, not arguing that-- but if you judge their respective speeds by an actual battle between them, then Tony came out looking vastly superior imo. Even before he pulled that synthesized spider-sense ability out of his ass, he was literally toying with Pete(like he did with pretty much everyone during CW.)
I agree with the overall assessment, of course. My point was about reactions alone.
...But considering Tony has battled multiple herald-levelers(and had no problem keeping up with them), he should be able to match(at the very least) Spidey's speed in a fight, I'd think.
