Originally posted by -Pr-
I am. Hal is one of the few people that can actually retain his charge with willpower, and Vulcan isn't exactly the greatest when it comes to willpower.
I don't believe that it would have much to do with willpower, but more to do with Vulcan using Hal's power against him. I'm not sure it would matter how Hal decided to approach the battle. Vulcan would likely not need to drain him, although that could be one of several ways that he could turn the battle to his advantage.
Originally posted by Stoic
I don't believe that it would have much to do with willpower, but more to do with Vulcan using Hal's power against him. I'm not sure it would matter how Hal decided to approach the battle. Vulcan would likely not need to drain him, although that could be one of several ways that he could turn the battle to his advantage.
Guardian-level enemies tried to use Hal's own ring-charge against him, and he outwilled them.
Be it in constructs or draining, I don't see the fight turning out well for Vulcan the longer it goes on.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Guardian-level enemies tried to use Hal's own ring-charge against him, and he outwilled them.Be it in constructs or draining, I don't see the fight turning out well for Vulcan the longer it goes on.
Well there may be a possibility, but I can't see Hal replicating what Gladiator did when he fought Vulcan. Warlock was unable to resist Vulcan's power, and in the same book that Gladiator defeated Vulcan, he was seen turning the very essence of an Imperial Guardsmen in on him, and basically cooked him alive with it. I see Hal in much the same way. He simply wouldn't have a choice in the matter. Hal's best bet would be to just remove the ring and go H2H. It was a hell of a feat that Black Bolt didn't turn him into puke when he spoke point blank in his face. There are just certain characters out there, that were meant to destroy certain others. I'd give Vulcan the win over the Silver Surfer, Hulk, Superman, Quasar, and many others as well though.
Originally posted by Stoic
Well there may be a possibility, but I can't see Hal replicating what Gladiator did when he fought Vulcan. Warlock was unable to resist Vulcan's power, and in the same book that Gladiator defeated Vulcan, he was seen turning the very essence of an Imperial Guardsmen in on him, and basically cooked him alive with it. I see Hal in much the same way. He simply wouldn't have a choice in the matter. Hal's best bet would be to just remove the ring and go H2H. It was a hell of a feat that Black Bolt didn't turn him into puke when he spoke point blank in his face. There are just certain characters out there, that were meant to destroy certain others. I'd give Vulcan the win over the Silver Surfer, Hulk, Superman, Quasar, and many others as well though.
...Really?
Originally posted by -Pr-
...Really?
You're asking really to the Surfer, Hulk, Quasar comment? If so, yes I do. Vulcan is one of those characters with the capability it seems to be able to muck around with any energy signature based on the way that he nearly killed Adam Warlock. He even overrode his will to remain himself, and nearly changed him into his alter ego Magus, which made Adam flee.
If Hal could somehow resist being pulled into Vulcan's energy manipulation game, then he has an over average chance at winning, but if he can't it's game over. There is a very good chance that Hal would end up being being destroyed by the same amount of power that he attempts to defeat Vulcan with. Personally I can't stand the character. Even so, on panel evidence suggests that he has the ability to defeat very powerful characters, and the more powerful they are, the more he seems to be able to use that power against them.
Hal's best bet would be to rip off a huge chunk of rock, and flatten him, because an energy war shouldn't work out to well for him.
Originally posted by Stoic
You're asking really to the Surfer, Hulk, Quasar comment? If so, yes I do. Vulcan is one of those characters with the capability it seems to be able to muck around with any energy signature based on the way that he nearly killed Adam Warlock. He even overrode his will to remain himself, and nearly changed him into his alter ego Magus, which made Adam flee.If Hal could somehow resist being pulled into Vulcan's energy manipulation game, then he has an over average chance at winning, but if he can't it's game over. There is a very good chance that Hal would end up being being destroyed by the same amount of power that he attempts to defeat Vulcan with. Personally I can't stand the character. Even so, on panel evidence suggests that he has the ability to defeat very powerful characters, and the more powerful they are, the more he seems to be able to use that power against them.
Hal's best bet would be to rip off a huge chunk of rock, and flatten him, because an energy war shouldn't work out to well for him.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Plus Vulcan's kinda limited if anyone tried to punch him out, seeing as even after he drained Warlock's magic, Adam still punched him around a bit.If someone like Surfer, Supes or Hal just went straight in for fisticuffs I can't imagine Vulcan doing very well.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No limit fallacy ftw. Havok would disagree with you as well as black bolt. Both are characters entirely based on energy manipulation and amping. Vulcan essentialy sucker attacked warlock and warlock=/=Highball.
Aren't the Summers boys immune to each others powers, or is that just Scott, and Alex? Vulcan took a shout to the face which in the past tore a mountain apart. Even the Skrull Boltagon was capable of shearing state sized chunks of the Moon away. Again he took one to the face, and wasn't turned into goo.
I admit that if Hal plays it smart and is quick enough to rip up several tons of earth and smash him with it, he'd win, but if he plays the containment bubble, energy blast game, Vulcan would, or should win, based off of how well he has dealt with energy in it's various forms in the past. The no limits fallacy certainly applies to Vulcan, he's even been measured to be an omega level energy manipulator, but then again it also applies to Hal not being an omniscient energy user.
Originally posted by Stoic
Aren't the Summers boys immune to each others powers, or is that just Scott, and Alex? Vulcan took a shout to the face which in the past tore a mountain apart. Even the Skrull Boltagon was capable of shearing state sized chunks of the Moon away. Again he took one to the face, and wasn't turned into goo.I admit that if Hal plays it smart and is quick enough to rip up several tons of earth and smash him with it, he'd win, but if he plays the containment bubble, energy blast game, Vulcan would, or should win, based off of how well he has dealt with energy in it's various forms in the past. The no limits fallacy certainly applies to Vulcan, he's even been measured to be an omega level energy manipulator, but then again it also applies to Hal not being an omniscient energy user.