Ra's' al Ghul VS Bane

Originally posted by Newjak
I repeat he had some of his best feats of the entire saga leading up to the Bane fight 😐

I like how everyone wants to act like it was 8 years of not training when all that was said was that he was a recluse for 8 years. Obviously he was still in shape otherwise if he really hadn't trained for 8 YEARS he would have been a tub of flab and not a badass that can repel from buildings and beat up a ton of LoS people.

Yes, everyone who doesn't work out is fat. Great logic. And Catwoman was beating up those (featless) LoS people too. Robin (ugh) killed two of them. They weren't that good.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yes, everyone who doesn't work out is fat. Great logic. And Catwoman was beating up those (featless) LoS people too. Robin (ugh) killed two of them. They weren't that good.

Yeah cause those two you mentioned aren't supposed to be incredibly skilled either. Robin had an amazing gun shot that would put most gunslingers in movies to shame.

Catwoman was a world renowned thief that was a very capable fighter as shown on screen.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah people that sit around and do nothing all day are fat. They may not be obese but they are definitely not lean muscle like Bruce was. He was clearly in shape the type of shape someone can only get in if they stay active.

Yeah cause those two you mentioned aren't supposed to be incredibly skilled either. Robin had an amazing gun shot that would put most gunslingers in movies to shame.

Catwoman was a world renowned thief that was a very capable fighter as shown on screen.

Or he could have been keeping a healthy diet. There is that. Don't tell me you've never met someone who doesn't work out and has a six-pack.

They're not. Robin looked like he shit his pants after he killed those guys so that's clearly the first time he's done anything like that. Thievery =/= Fighting. I know Catwoman was supposed to be a badass but her fight scenes were silly at best.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Or he could have been keeping a healthy diet. There is that. Don't tell me you've never met someone who doesn't work out and has a six-pack.

They're not. Robin looked like he shit his pants after he killed those guys so that's clearly the first time he's done anything like that. Thievery =/= Fighting. I know Catwoman was supposed to be a badass but her fight scenes were silly at best.

Just cause he hasn't killed anyone and was shocked at it doesn't mean he isn't skilled. He still performed a gun shot that would make most movie gunslingers envious.

Same argument you use anytime you don't like someone, since their fight scenes weren't up to your standards their feats during those scenes become null in void.

She manhandled a man, and armed people on multiple occasions. Those are her feats and those show she was skilled regardless of what you thought of the fight choreography.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No one except BruceSkywalker believes Bane beats a sword-wielding Ra's.

because Ra's does lose.. also its not like Ra's walked up to Batman and then stabs him that didn't happen, people are given Ra's a feat/feats he NEVER EVER SHOWED...Batman clearly avoids Ra's sword strikes and then breaks the sword, then Ra's clearly, clearly gets beat up.. Rises shows Bane to be an agile person who can certainly avoid the sword and then beat up Ra's.. People up in here clearly hate Bane, thing is that ignorance will not sway me from saying Ra's loses... I said it already Bane will see the sword, he isn't blind like people want him to be..

Originally posted by Newjak
He wouldn't have had the same build unless he was staying active. He had too much lean muscle covering his body.

Just cause he hasn't killed anyone and was shocked at it doesn't mean he isn't skilled. He still performed a gun shot that would make most movie gunslingers envious.

Same argument you use anytime you don't like someone, since their fight scenes weren't up to your standards their feats during those scenes become null in void.

She manhandled a man, and armed people on multiple occasions. Those are her feats and those show she was skilled regardless of what you thought of the fight choreography.

its just peoples hatred and ignorance towards the film

Originally posted by Newjak
He wouldn't have had the same build unless he was staying active. He had too much lean muscle covering his body.

Just cause he hasn't killed anyone and was shocked at it doesn't mean he isn't skilled. He still performed a gun shot that would make most movie gunslingers envious.

Same argument you use anytime you don't like someone, since their fight scenes weren't up to your standards their feats during those scenes become null in void.

She manhandled a man, and armed people on multiple occasions. Those are her feats and those show she was skilled regardless of what you thought of the fight choreography.

He doesn't have the same build. He's bigger in BB. In fact he's bigger than Bane in BB. Bruce had clearly slimmed down over the years.

Ok, what feats does Robin have to make you think he's a badass? He almost got his shit pushed in by those two fat guys and had to shoot them. That's all I can think of. He sucks.

Yeah, fine. I don't want to argue about women in action roles, but all that's irrelevant anyway.

Bane's just a brawler, he's not faster than Ra's, he has no real skill, all he has is his strength and his pain-tolerance. And they amount to nothing against a sword.

Originally posted by Newjak
[B]We know Bane had speed enough to catch Batman's punch twice - Fact

It wasn't haymakers that beat him it was Batman's forearm blades knocking one of the breathing tubes lose - Fact

He was strong enough to punch out a chunk of concrete Pillar - Fact

He was strong and fast enough to beat an armored Batman(Something Ras never did) who had just finished waltzing through league of shadow members like they were nothing and kicking through brick wall. Which happen to be some of his best feats up to that point in all the movies - Fact

And you need to watch the Batman/Ras fight again. Ras won their fight. He had Batman pinned to the ground underneath his knee, and had his hands wrapped around Bruce's throat. It was only after Gordon blew up the tracks and Ras looked away to watch the tracks collapsing that Bruce pulled a reversal and pinned him to the ground.

Bane is a terrible fighter who relies on hilariously telegraphed haymakers in his fights, and lost to an out of shape Batman who's recovering from a broken back and 6 months of prison food, whereas Ras managed to solidly beat a Brucee Wayne in the prime of his life. Yeah, Ras destroys Bane in a fight. One punch to the mouth and Bane's cowering in a corner cuddling his facemask. Considering that Ras is significantly quicker than Bane and a more skilled fighter, that is the inevitability. With or without the sword.

Not sure why people find it hard to believe that a man with decades more experience and the one that trained Wayne to be a total bad-ass couldn't somehow be more of a bad-ass himself.

"The student doesn't always surpass the teacher." -Probably some long dead Chinese guy

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Which is totally irrelevant as we see him break them with punches later.

Where? He punches the mask again afterward breathing it but nothing suggest it's broken by punches.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
The pillar already had a massive crack in it and he punched the crack. Watch the footage again. Are you saying Batman's unarmored face is more durable than the concrete of a foot thick support beam? lulz.

Considering we see Bane punch holes in the beam... Yes.

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Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Batman's fighting skills in TDKR were abysmal, which just leads credence to the notion that he was a shell of his former self, even after his totally nonsensical training regiment in the prison. So I really don't see how that's relevant at all.

The choreography was never good in any of the films. It's by far the worst in TDK which I've seen some people on this forum call Batman's "prime". Anyway, Batman displays far more strength in TDKR then in any of the others films like lifting Bane with a kick and kicking through brick.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You care too much. And it's strange how you conceive of no worthwhile difference between a man in his prime, and a man 8 years out of practise, walking with a limp and cane and a doctor-diagnosed bill of ill health. He defeated Ra's in his prime, and lost to Bane in his nadir--what part of that do you not agree with?

The part that you seem to think a man that doesn't have cartilage and has to walk with a cane is weak, yet he can repel down the side of a building and climb out of a pit.

Originally posted by Mindset
I care as much as you do.

The part that you seem to think a man that doesn't have cartilage and has to walk with a cane is weak, yet he can repel down the side of a building and climb out of a pit.

And the fact is that despite that he moves around like it isn't true, deal with it.

Because of braces.

He repelled down the side of the hospital and climbed out of the pit with braces?

No.

That's a clear indicator that he's as strong as he was 8-9 years previous?

No.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
That's a clear indicator that he's as strong as he was 8-9 years previous?

No.

No.

You lost.

Right...

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
That's a clear indicator that he's as strong as he was 8-9 years previous?

No.

Originally posted by Newjak
It's a clear indicator that whatever ailments he was said to have had aren't really messing with him as bad as you would believe.