It seems that some people on here are implying that "Zonakin" is Anakin reaching his true potential (albeit temporarily), which I don't necessarily disagree with. That's why I made the post.
Also, I think Luke is usually over-hyped on these boards. Hell yeah he's powerful, but not to the extant that some ppl here make him out to be... especially in CQC (i.e. saber prowess). Remember that I agree that he's a monster. But also that he's overrated.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
It seems that some people on here are implying that "Zonakin" is Anakin reaching his true potential (albeit temporarily), which I don't necessarily disagree with. That's why I made the post.Also, I think Luke is usually over-hyped on these boards. Hell yeah he's powerful, but not to the extant that some ppl here make him out to be... especially in CQC (i.e. saber prowess). Remember that I agree that he's a monster. But also that he's overrated.
It's only an "outlier" if it occurs far away from the data (in this case, Luke's usual showings). Since Luke apaprently struggles on semi-regular basis with opponents and situations that he (according to some) shouldn't, then I would argue that these low showings are not outliers, but rather the lower end of his performances. An outlier might include something like him getting his ass kicked by an ewok.
Originally posted by Nephthys
While thats true, I do have to question that evaluation when Luke is constantly portrayed to be less than we evaluate him to be. How many times does he have to struggle with a seemingly inferior opponent until we re-evaluate his position?
On the flip side, how many strong opponents have we seen him face where he doesn't lose? A lot, I think.
He's not utterly unstoppable and plenty of strong fighters won't get blown away by him, but he's at the top of the heap.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
It seems that some people on here are implying that "Zonakin" is Anakin reaching his true potential (albeit temporarily), which I don't necessarily disagree with. That's why I made the post.
I don't agree; I see no reason to believe that Anakin temporarily reached his full potential or even close to it. I believe Anakin just had it in him to defeat Dooku at that time, considering how their previous duels in TCW went down. So I do agree with DP that Anakin would have won that duel regardless of whether Obi Wan was there or not, but it still would have took a little time. Anakin was gradually getting stronger as he was gradually wearing Dooku out with his tremendous force-inhanced strength. It's not as if Anakin could have blitzed Dooku or anything. When Anakin cut Dooku's arms off, Dooku was already weakened from trying to contend with the sheer strength of Anakin's saber blows, which made it that much more easy for Anakin to do his little fancy move on him. Anakin had to slow Dooku down in order to win.
As for the thread, Luke wins quite handily, IMO. He's faster, more skilled, more powerful, has far greater mastery of the force, and is probably just as strong (when inhanced by the force).
Originally posted by ZampanóWhich is pitiful in the context of the EU. Twice as powerful as Sidious, but stacked up against the NJO, TFU, TOR etc., the "full potential Anakin we see" f*cking sucked.
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Sids says that Zonakin wasn't 'Full Potential' Anakin, not "even close to it."You're barking up the wrong tree
Originally posted by Nephthys
I think we (and myself, admittedly) have overblown the Zonakin thing a bit. He beat a Dooku who was utterly exhausted, physically and in the Force.
Dooku revitalized his Force reserves after KO'ing Obi-Wan:
ROTS
There was something troublingly appropriate about it. Seeing Skywalker standing where Dooku himself had stood only moments ago ... it was as though he was trying to remember a dream he'd never actually had . . .He pushed this aside, drawing once more upon the certain knowledge of his personal invincibility to open a channel to the Force. Power flowed into him, and the weight of his years dropped away.
He lifted his blade, and beckoned.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Dooku revitalized his Force reserves after KO'ing Obi-Wan:
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Yep, the passage you quoted was after Obi-Wan was disposed of.
Dooku was exhausted simply because Anakin's power blows were exhausting him, deflecting Each Blow required more energy than it took to dispose of Obi-Wan.
In the mean time Anakin himself was just getting stronger.