Kade Kilgore VS Valeria Richards

Started by pym-ftw3 pages

He will bomb the Baxter building, her "resources" are all public, the paparazzi follows her family around.

Like I said, currently she doesn't have the emotional or rational faculties needed to win this

Originally posted by pym-ftw
She is mischievous, He is a cold blooded killer

And to make an additional point, Valeria is more "mischievous" than you apparently realize. Her connection to Doom is certainly worthy of notice. If Kade pushed her far enough, she would definitely cross the line.

^^^ Mischievous huh? 😆

Yup , and then Reed(or Val herself) will just as simply restore the Baxter Building with the click of a button . Unless you want to argue that he can produce greater firepower than a bunch of Celestials ?

Its not really going to be that effective at all .

How does she beat him? I mean how does she find him and restrain him or do you think she will kill him?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
He will bomb the Baxter building, her "resources" are all public, the paparazzi follows her family around.

Like I said, currently she doesn't have the emotional or rational faculties needed to win this

Not saying he wouldn't hurt her at first. In fact, an initial attack from Kade would possibly free Val from the constraints of her own morality. She obviously struggles with it. Freed of those constraints, it would be game over for Kade. Also, she doesn't need to rely on the paparazzi to gather intel about the Hellfire Club. Like I said before, she's an intellectual prodigy. Kade, on the other hand, relies heavily on monetary resources. For Val, it would be child's play to shut him down; then she would have one of his very own sentinels hand deliver Kade over on a silver platter.

If he crosses the line , then she won't have any problem doing that . Otherwise , she can simply bfr him into the Negative Zone for imprisonment .

Her team is powerful enough imo to take down the Hellfire Club , she has better resources at her disposal , even if he somehow manages to lay siege to the Baxter Building , it won't be long before she regains control of the situation , and throughout their battle she'll probably be a step ahead of him . This is the same girl who manipulated most of the people around her including her father , and kept them out of the loop throughout her plan . She lied to her parents even while promising not to do so , and the thing which she hid from them could potentially end the universe .

All I can say is i'd love a FF/Hellfire crossover

What if killgore sends a zealot out with a bomb on his chest to frame johnny for accidental homicide, I mean that is kilgore's best resource

Val will probably figure out that it was him . Her analysis would probably help in Johnny's defense .

Then , as payback , she'll probably hack a couple of his sentinels and bring down his business right on his head .

Or she could manipulate and turn some of his cohorts against him .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
If he crosses the line , then she won't have any problem doing that . Otherwise , she can simply bfr him into the Negative Zone for imprisonment .

Her team is powerful enough imo to take down the Hellfire Club , she has better resources at her disposal , even if he somehow manages to lay siege to the Baxter Building , it won't be long before she regains control of the situation , and throughout their battle she'll probably be a step ahead of him . This is the same girl who manipulated most of the people around her including her father , and kept them out of the loop throughout her plan . She lied to her parents even while promising not to do so , and the thing which she hid from them could potentially end the universe .

Kade's point of weakness stems from his monetary resources. Wolverine (aided by Matt Murdock) almost made him cry when they stuck him with the damage control check for attacking the Jean Grey school. Without cash, he's a sitting duck.

Moreover, Pym proves my point that Kade would likely underestimate Val. On the surface, she seems sweet and merely mischievous. In reality, though, there's a lot more to her than that. We've already seen that she would be willing to kill Annihilus. And she may also be partially (indirectly) responsible for any atrocities committed by the Parliament of Doom at some future juncture.

^^Intending to kill Annihilus is small fry compared to writing a prospectus on conquering and enslaving one of the powerful , influential and well-known alien civilizations in the Cosmos .

There is a huge, huge, huge diffrence between killing an evil Demon bug and killing your own father.

I think my point was missed, how will Valeria find him, and when he is caught there are other members of the hellfire club, not to mention an army who will kill themselves instead of being captured, and Kilgore has connections aswell

Also if Mj, Forge, or Pym can't hack all sentinels I can't see Valeria

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^^Intending to kill Annihilus is small fry compared to writing a prospectus on conquering and enslaving one of the powerful , influential and well-known alien civilizations in the Cosmos .

Indeed.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
There is a huge, huge, huge diffrence between killing an evil Demon bug and killing your own father.

I think my point was missed, how will Valeria find him, and when he is caught there are other members of the hellfire club, not to mention an army who will kill themselves instead of being captured, and Kilgore has connections aswell

Also if Mj, Forge, or Pym can't hack all sentinels I can't see Valeria


She was willing to pull of the UN on an alternate Reed , which can come pretty close to this " but he killed his own daddy!!!!" thing which you have been harping on about .

Actually , I doubt she would even need to go in an all-out war with him(which could end from a few milliseconds to a couple of hours/days depending on whether Franklin is involved or not , either ways it ends in her favor) , in fact suing him for any property damage he causes should be enough to send him into a suicidal fit :

Because afterall if a blithering twit like Wolverine could come with such a counterattack , what's going to prevent a far smarter person in the form of Val from doing something even worse ?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
There is a huge, huge, huge diffrence between killing an evil Demon bug and killing your own father.

Kade's father murdered his mother over some dispute. He later (foolishly) confessed this to Kade. Out of fear that his father would, one day, murder him (like he did his mother), Kade immediately devised a plot to overthrow him. He was basically extrapolating his own demise at the hands of father; therefore, in a bizarre way, he killed him in self-defense.

If Valeria either has her brother, or her father fight this fight she wins.

My whole argument is that if she trys to take him on alone, she will lose because talking a big game and carrying it out are two separate things

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Because afterall if a blithering twit like Wolverine could come with such a counterattack , what's going to prevent a far smarter person in the form of Val from doing something even worse ?

😆 Logan actually went to Matt Murdock for help. That's Matt in the pic with Kade.

With the exception that she has ACTUALLY carried out the big game(what can get bigger than the Marquis of Death in who's defeat she was instrumental?) .

As I showed in my previous scan , suing him alone is enough for her to win this battle , not to mention the countless other options she could theorize and apply to take him down . Bankrupting him and industrial espionage are just two of such possibilities .

Originally posted by Doon
😆 Logan actually went to Matt Murdock for help. That's Matt in the pic with Kade.

Logan came up with the idea(he did , didn't he?) . My point is if a guy like him could do so , what's preventing a far smarter person like Val from doing something even worse ?

What is she suing him for?

Already explained above .