Originally posted by PsychotronOnce he sees his efforts of punching and bludgeoning a zombie isn't working there's no reason to think he wouldn't.
Then I doubt he'd try it now. Not at first at least.Jason will outlast him and then he'll have a fancy new shield to go with his machete.
Originally posted by the ninjakJason isn't stronger or faster than Cap, how would he throw the shield back harder?
Jason with Cap's shield reeks of awesome. 😉Especially once Cap throws the shield into Jason's chest and Jason takes it out of his guts, looks at it briefly.
Then either-
-throws it harder than Cap ever could into Cap.
-uses it as a smashing and defense device.
Cap would easily take his shield back.
Originally posted by Mindset
Jason isn't stronger or faster than Cap, how would he throw the shield back harder?Cap would easily take his shield back.
Jason is stronger than Cap. Speed isn't factor consider movie Cap had crap fighting skill a little to next to no evading skills.
Cap as shown in film will jump right in, maybe throw his shield (which will fail) and attempt to melee fight Jason. As most if not all his fights showed.
He jumped into battle. And prayed he would survive almost every fight in CA:TFA and Avengers.
Jason may appear slow because of his walking. But he can punch so fast and hard that any such blow would crush Cap.
This strike was done from the blunt side of the machete. The force behind the strike is beyond anything Cap has done. Kelly Rowland flew at insane speed.
Jason also punched a mans head off with ease. Plus crushed another's skull.
Then I can factor in Jason's more exotic abilities which people hat so I wont.
Meaning that even if Jason lost this fight he will still win.
He is faster than Freddy and has better fighting skills than him. Freddy was dancing around Jason, for the most part. Cap was evading all the time in his fights, you don't even know what you're talking about...watch the movies again. Off the top of my head he showed fighting skills against Loki, Red Skull, and the aliens 😬 . You're delusional if you think Cap can't take a punch from Jason. He took punches from Loki who had super strength, he took punches from Red Skull who was able to easily dent steel, and he took a blast in the gut from the alien guns that were easily blasting holes through cars and got up moments later.
It wasn't the blunt side. And no, Cap's punches and kicks were sending people flying.
Jason is stronger and tougher while Captain America is faster and more skilled (only because he's fighting a zombie retard) but it won't be enough. Jason's damage soak is just off the charts. Think of all the damage he took in FvJ alone. Being set on fire in the rave, being electrocuted, then the punishment he took in the dream world, and then the beating he took in the final fight and he still didn't die. Cap will have to figure out something really inventive to put him down. OTOH, Jason has to connect with his machete only once to win.
Still waiting to see what Jason did to make him stronger. If he is, which I don't see, it's minimal.
Jason isn't going to die, Cap will see that, he'll probably recognize that he is already dead...or at the very least that he's going to have to do something that he won't be getting up from.
Decap for the win.
Originally posted by Mindset
Still waiting to see what Jason did to make him stronger. If he is, which I don't see, it's minimal.Jason isn't going to die, Cap will see that, he'll probably recognize that he is already dead...or at the very least that he's going to have to do something that he won't be getting up from.
Decap for the win.
C'mon. Jason has effortlessly ripped people's arms off and snapped people in two. He had no trouble lifting that big boiler (or whatever it was) that Freddy dropped on him. His punches sent Freddy flying. Cap's got nothing on that.
You're giving Rogers' intelligence a lot of credit, he looked kind of dumb to me in both Captain America and Avengers. And why are you assuming he can easily decap Jason with the shield? I don't remember it cutting anything in either movie.
It's far more likely he'll attack Jason thinking he's an average serial killer, pound on him, turn his back thinking he's ko'ed/dead and get sliced in half.
Originally posted by PsychotronCap lifted about 700 lbs effortlessly over his head. I see no reason why if Cap were so inclined, he couldn't do the same. Chimpanzee's can rip body parts off. And Cap sent heavily armored men and armored aliens flying.
C'mon. Jason has effortlessly ripped people's arms off and snapped people in two. He had no trouble lifting that big boiler (or whatever it was) that Freddy dropped on him. His punches sent Freddy flying. Cap's got nothing on that.You're giving Rogers' intelligence a lot of credit, he looked kind of dumb to me in both Captain America and Avengers. And why are you assuming he can easily decap Jason with the shield? I don't remember it cutting anything in either movie.
It's far more likely he'll attack Jason thinking he's an average serial killer, pound on him, turn his back thinking he's ko'ed/dead and get sliced in half.
How did Cap look dumb? He was directing the Avengers how to fight in the movie, he was telling the cops what to do as well; iirc, Cap was also directing the soldiers in his movie. Because he has super human strength and a vibranium shield. He was able to cut an aliens arm off with it.
Why would he think someone with rotting flesh, superhuman durability, and super strength was a regular serial killer? Cap will be able to tell from the first couple hits that Jason isn't normal.
Originally posted by Mindset
Cap lifted about 700 lbs effortlessly over his head. I see no reason why if Cap were so inclined, he couldn't do the same. Chimpanzee's can rip body parts off. And Cap sent heavily armored men and armored aliens flying.How did Cap look dumb? He was directing the Avengers how to fight in the movie, he was telling the cops what to do as well; iirc, Cap was also directing the soldiers in his movie. Because he has super human strength and a vibranium shield. He was able to cut an aliens arm off with it.
Why would he think someone with rotting flesh, superhuman durability, and super strength was a regular serial killer? Cap will be able to tell from the first couple hits that Jason isn't normal.
There are some people who can military press 500+ pounds, 700 isn't impressive for a superhuman. Chimpanzees might be able to, but when was the last time you saw a human do it? IMO nothing tops Jason lifting that machinery especially after Freddy dropped it on him. To me Jason is about 1.5 times stronger than Rogers.
Hugging that grenade comes to mind and tactical knowledge isn't the same as intelligence. I don't remember him cutting off an alien's arm but it's possible, I guess.
OK even if he sees Jason is a zombie from the start(which is unlikely), how will he know he has superhuman durability? Or strength? Traditional zombies are weak as hell. It's more likely he'll knock him down, think the fight is over and get a surprise ride on Jason's machete.
Originally posted by PsychotronThere is no one in the world who can effortlessly pick up and put over there head 700 lbs and hold it there like it was nothing. Cap has superhuman strength, who cares what a regular human can do. Tactical knowledge in regards to combat is relevant to combat intelligence...which is what he will be using in a fight.
There are some people who can military press 500+ pounds, 700 isn't impressive for a superhuman. Chimpanzees might be able to, but when was the last time you saw a human do it? IMO nothing tops Jason lifting that machinery especially after Freddy dropped it on him. To me Jason is about 1.5 times stronger than Rogers.Hugging that grenade comes to mind and tactical knowledge isn't the same as intelligence. I don't remember him cutting off an alien's arm but it's possible, I guess.
OK even if he sees Jason is a zombie from the start(which is unlikely), how will he know he has superhuman durability? Or strength? Traditional zombies are weak as hell. It's more likely he'll knock him down, think the fight is over and get a surprise ride on Jason's machete.
From, you know, fighting him. So Cap will knock him down, turn his back on Jason and just take in the beautiful scenery?
Originally posted by Mindset
There is no one in the world who can effortlessly pick up and put over there head 700 lbs and hold it there like it was nothing. Cap has superhuman strength, who cares what a regular human can do. Tactical knowledge in regards to combat is relevant to combat intelligence...which is what he will be using in a fight.From, you know, fighting him. So Cap will knock him down, turn his back on Jason and just take in the beautiful scenery?
Of course he's superhuman, I didn't say he wasn't. But 700 lbs just isn't that impressive. And this combat intelligence is so great Cap will be thinking "This guy is big and has a hockey mask. He's a zombie!" Not likely. Rogers will figure it out only after either Jason connects with one of his superhuman punches or after Jason takes a lot of damage. I doubt Rogers'll be going all-out with his first attacks, but Jason will, and if he connects with the machete it's all over.
It's possible, Jason, Michael Myers, and other slasher villains like to lie on the ground a bit before getting back up. I could even see Cap trying to remove the mask and getting a surprise machete in the gut for his efforts.
Originally posted by Psychotron
OK even if he sees Jason is a zombie from the start(which is unlikely), how will he know he has superhuman durability? Or strength? Traditional zombies are weak as hell. It's more likely he'll knock him down, think the fight is over and get a surprise ride on Jason's machete.
Why would Rogers have any reason to assume Jason is a zombie? He comes from a different time period. The concept of the undead was not a part of mainstream culture back then, not to the degree it is today or even when Jason first came around.
Originally posted by Psychotron700 lbs is impressive when you do it effortlessly. Strawman, I already told you how Cap will figure out Jason isn't a regular human, and apparently, you felt the need to repeat it for some reason. Jason's machete will connect with Cap's shield and shatter.
Of course he's superhuman, I didn't say he wasn't. But 700 lbs just isn't that impressive. And this combat intelligence is so great Cap will be thinking "This guy is big and has a hockey mask. He's a zombie!" Not likely. Rogers will figure it out only after either Jason connects with one of his superhuman punches or after Jason takes a lot of damage. I doubt Rogers'll be going all-out with his first attacks, but Jason will, and if he connects with the machete it's all over.It's possible, Jason, Michael Myers, and other slasher villains like to lie on the ground a bit before getting back up. I could even see Cap trying to remove the mask and getting a surprise machete in the gut for his efforts.
Right, so nonsense, got it.
Originally posted by Mindset
700 lbs is impressive when you do it effortlessly. Strawman, I already told you how Cap will figure out Jason isn't a regular human, and apparently, you felt the need to repeat it for some reason. Jason's machete will connect with Cap's shield and shatter.Right, so nonsense, got it.
Dude, Jason is stronger. Lifting the boiler, accidentally ripping people's arms off, punching a guy's head off are all > lifting 700 lbs. Hell, I even remember Jason driving his machete through a steel door in Jason X, twice. He will overpower Rogers if he get's a hold off him. Deal with it.
Captain America's only chance is decap and there's no way he'll go for it right at the start, and even if he does manage to decap Jason he's still might have to deal with the demon worm thing.
Superior strength and damage soak > speed. He'd win if he had his comic book counterpart's skill, but he doesn't.
Give me a good reason why Rogers wouldn't fall for it. There's no reason to assume his superhuman punches wouldn't ko some psycho in hockey mask.
Originally posted by Mindset
He is faster than Freddy and has better fighting skills than him. Freddy was dancing around Jason, for the most part. Cap was evading all the time in his fights, you don't even know what you're talking about...watch the movies again. Off the top of my head he showed fighting skills against Loki, Red Skull, and the aliens 😬 . You're delusional if you think Cap can't take a punch from Jason. He took punches from Loki who had super strength, he took punches from Red Skull who was able to easily dent steel, and he took a blast in the gut from the alien guns that were easily blasting holes through cars and got up moments later.It wasn't the blunt side. And no, Cap's punches and kicks were sending people flying.
You are delusional if you think anything Cap ever did strike wise equals what Jason did to Kelly Rowland.
And making up the fact that Cap is faster and more skillful than Freddy in that film is simply wrong.
Freddy moved so much he practically teleported. His blades effortlessly cut through chain.
I would say Physical Realm Freddy would beat Cap as well.
And in regards to durability Jason took an arsenal of relentless assault rifle fire from a platoon in Jason goes to Hell for ages before he groaned and fell.
Cap would've simply blown apart.