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Originally posted by Digi
Same, with, say owning a TV show via XBox Live. I can watch it whenever, but it's also grounded. I can't take it to a friend's, etc.
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you most certainly can if you have a zune or a laptop. I have multiple TV shows downloaded to my xbox. Just make an account on zune and link it to your xbox. Then you can download the shows either to your zune or directly to you PC.

It's a pretty simple matter to convert it so it's no longer locked to just your zune. You could also just link your laptop to your friends TV or just take your zune and hook it up. Most things it can hook to via usb can play the video content that's on it.

Originally posted by Digi
And if Steam goes under?

I like it. But it's something akin to the audio file that you can't port off of the original device. Clunky though they may be, I have PC game CD's from nearly two decades ago that I can still use on any PC that I want and that I'll always have (OS compatibility notwithstanding - anything can still run, it just sometimes takes a workaround for older games). Same, with, say owning a TV show via XBox Live. I can watch it whenever, but it's also grounded. I can't take it to a friend's, etc.

I get that this is the future of the medium, and for the most part I have no issues with it. It doesn't mean it's without flaws.

Huh? I'm not sure about your point about using it on any PC.

You just log on your friends computer, install Steam, download game and then play it. As well, you can sync up your saved games through the Cloud and you can play where you left off.

You get the CD key, which is the most important part of the purchase. The problem is still there somewhat (need the data) but Valve is a pretty good company so I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have a plan that allows people to get there games.

But the point is moot, if your a PC gamer, you have to have Steam, or other DL programs because it's harder to find boxed PC games out there. Also, let's say Valve goes under and you don't copy the CD key, it's funny how people hold on a purchase that cost them 3 bucks 5 years ago.

EDIT: I think the best thing Valve could do is give a feature/setting that allows you to create an ISO of the game content so you can have a hard copy but I wouldn't be surprised if publishers would allow that.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
you most certainly can if you have a zune or a laptop. I have multiple TV shows downloaded to my xbox. Just make an account on zune and link it to your xbox. Then you can download the shows either to your zune or directly to you PC.

It's a pretty simple matter to convert it so it's no longer locked to just your zune. You could also just link your laptop to your friends TV or just take your zune and hook it up. Most things it can hook to via usb can play the video content that's on it.

I'm aware of all of this. But there's an "if" here. "If your friend has an XBox, you just log in on your account and..." or similar stories. It's creating one of two things: making it so only tech geeks who keep up with all of this can convert to multiple formats (what you just explained goes over many peoples' heads). Or two, creating purchasing mandates, where you "have" to buy a certain product/brand/etc. to have compatibility with your other media.

Now, this isn't always a problem, but think of it this way: 15 years ago I could take my CD or DVD and go ANYWHERE with it and play it. Now, it's "do you have zune? Wifi for my laptop (who are you watching with that you can all crowd around a laptop btw?)? An XBox? Does your system play blue-ray? Can your TV read from my device? etc. etc. etc." And it's not because the technology branches; it's because corporations want to funnel us to their products. Someone gives Sony a boatload of money, and they exclusively play blue-ray (or similar examples). Want to play it on an XBox or standard DVD player at your mom's house? Sorry loser, buy our system instead. It's overtly manipulative.

We're going backwards in this department. Big time. And it's only going to get worse. And as soon a something supplants Steam (not imminent of course, but it will happen), we'll need to have the next big system of purchasing/playing that will only be exclusive to it and its partners.

Originally posted by Smasandian
Huh? I'm not sure about your point about using it on any PC.

You just log on your friends computer, install Steam, download game and then play it. As well, you can sync up your saved games through the Cloud and you can play where you left off.

You get the CD key, which is the most important part of the purchase. The problem is still there somewhat (need the data) but Valve is a pretty good company so I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have a plan that allows people to get there games.

But the point is moot, if your a PC gamer, you have to have Steam, or other DL programs because it's harder to find boxed PC games out there. Also, let's say Valve goes under and you don't copy the CD key, it's funny how people hold on a purchase that cost them 3 bucks 5 years ago.

EDIT: I think the best thing Valve could do is give a feature/setting that allows you to create an ISO of the game content so you can have a hard copy but I wouldn't be surprised if publishers would allow that.

Valve doesn't owe us anything legally if they go under. It would be a dick move, but it's creating exclusivity. "Use us, or you can't play at all."

Originally posted by Smasandian

You just log on your friends computer, install Steam, download game and then play it. As well, you can sync up your saved games through the Cloud and you can play where you left off.

You get the CD key, which is the most important part of the purchase. The problem is still there somewhat (need the data) but Valve is a pretty good company so I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have a plan that allows people to get there games.
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CD Key?

is that with 'Backup Game files' option?

Originally posted by Zack Fair

Originally posted by ares834

Maybe I should finish them. ermmnone

Originally posted by Kazenji
CD Key?

is that with 'Backup Game files' option?

My mistake. I thought you get CD key with every game you buy, and checked it out by randomly checking games. I guess I missed a few without a CD key option.

So I was wrong. Only some games give the CD key. Hmm, I wonder if that's a Steam issue, or a publisher issue. It might be a publisher issue.

There is effectively zero chance that games in the Steam library will be lost. Steam has become such a default of the PC playing field that even if in some distant future it goes under, someone else will pick it up and offer library continuity because that resource is worth a LOT of money.

Hard copies of games are becoming increasingly irrelevant anyway. Games get so patched and modified that what you have on the disc stops actually being the game rather soon. This is mostly a PC issue right now but will spread everywhere soon enough.

I think hard copies have larger problems. Losing or breaking your discs is far more likely than any theoretical issues with Steam games.

Am I the only one who is hoping that the next gen consoles will be backwards compatible? My 60 GB PS3 was BC, but my 320 GB isn't. That's why I still have my original PS2 in case I want to play older games.

Backwards compatibility is awesome, and the Wii U has it, but the sheer cost of it for the PS3 to emulate a PS2 (it had to have pretty much half the PS2 hardware inside it!) is one of the things that hammered the PS3 in its early days. That's why they stopped doing it, and they may be wary about doing that again.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Backwards compatibility is awesome, and the Wii U has it, but the sheer cost of it for the PS3 to emulate a PS2 (it had to have pretty much half the PS2 hardware inside it!) is one of the things that hammered the PS3 in its early days. That's why they stopped doing it, and they may be wary about doing that again.

I had no idea.

Why couldn't they just set up a "virtual" console? You know...an emulator. Seems every pirating thug programmer can do it...so why not some of the programmers on Sony's payroll.

They switched to software emulation in later models, but it didn't work as well.

has anyone seen the "new" ps3? http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/09/25/new-ps3-model-out-today-exclusive-first-look/

God I hate sony right now. They need less models of the same system and more time on making the new one.

Sony is a very big company. They can have multiple teams working on multiple products.

It's a good thing when a smaller team works on something. Large the team, more shit to wade through.

that really doesn't mean they should keep bringing out more models of the same system. I know they want to milk the ps3 as much as possible but its getting dumb. Do we really need a "Super Slim"? whats next the "Ultra Slim"?

EDIT: They should do a base system sale. Put the slim out with one controller with 160gigs and a playstation+ vaocher. They could charge $199 and and people would have eaten that up. Thats a better deal then the 4gig xbox even.

Why are you complaining?

Don't buy it if you don't like it.

Originally posted by Smasandian
Why are you complaining?

Don't buy it if you don't like it.

Why not complain?

That's valuable money Sony invested in something he does not want.

Hahahah. Whatever. It's dumb to complain about how a company spends it's money.

The funny thing is that they will probably make a profit on it.

Has Sony made a profit on any of the various PS3s yet?

The really ridiculous thing is the fact that they aren't lowering the price on the regular slim systems.

That's pretty crappy. Oh well, it's an option for people. If they want, they can buy it.

But I assume they make profit somehow with newer versions of the console because if they didn't, why would they bother?

Originally posted by Smasandian
Hahahah. Whatever. It's dumb to complain about how a company spends it's money.

The funny thing is that they will probably make a profit on it.

I don't mean to sound like a dick but I think its dumber to complain about someone that complains.

Anyways I come to a forum....one specifically to talk about gaming systems and me voicing my opinion about one that is being brought out is dumb? 😕

Like Dadudemon said it's valuable money. More specifically speaking its our money as the consumers. Without us they wouldn't even exist so I have a pretty valid reason to complain when you think about it.