Guardian Amped Prime Vs DOV Captain Marvel

Originally posted by ODG
^ Trying to account for GA Prime's energy loss while traveling interdimensionally while not accounting for Enchantress completely cutting off Captain Marvel from his amp reeks of a rather puerile double standard.

Beating the sh1t out of Spectre is more impressive than... not really beating the sh1t out of Monarch. At all. I don't know how much simpler it can get. DOV Captain Marvel's punches aren't Black Adam's punches.

Originally posted by Uriel005
still magic based in the origin of his strength. As I said in the DoV run Mordru dominated Shazam who had been prepping ridiculously for Spectre's arrival. Even after Shazam was beaten he absolutely wrecked Spectre with his prep if it weren't for the Spectre's inablity to die+absorbing ambient magic energy. Personally I think this is just a case of a bad match up.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Trying to account for GA Prime's energy loss while traveling interdimensionally while not accounting for Enchantress completely cutting off Captain Marvel from his amp reeks of a rather puerile double standard.

Beating the sh1t out of Spectre is more impressive than... not really beating the sh1t out of Monarch. At all. I don't know how much simpler it can get. DOV Captain Marvel's punches aren't Black Adam's punches.

Enchantress was pressed the whole time. She couldn't maintain the amp that's why it cut off. She started getting stressed moments after channeling the power. A few pages later she taps out on Billys amp then channels the other 5 conduits.

For this fight Billy has the amp for the period of time it was sustained in DOV. It wasn't that long.
Funny how you say Billy and Monarch edged out their respective fights. 😂
Billy was ktfo and Monarch has his whole being dispersed across a alternate universe. You can't be serious. 😕

Billys punches may do more than just tickle but how much more? Not enough before his amp runs out.

DoV Cap

Originally posted by ODG
What bad matchup vaults GA Prime on a level that he can contend with someone who was beating the sh1t out of Spectre? And what does a different Mordru at the peak of his performance who has little to nothing to do with a completely alternate version of Mordru have to do with anything?

JSA mordru is 30th century mordru as seen when Dr. Fate showed him the future.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'd wager the Oan energies of a single Guardian are vastly inferior to those of most of the collected magical energy of the DCU.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Enchantress was pressed the whole time. She couldn't maintain the amp that's why it cut off. She started getting stressed moments after channeling the power. A few pages later she taps out on Billys amp then channels the other 5 conduits.

For this fight Billy has the amp for the period of time it was sustained in DOV. It wasn't that long.
Funny how you say Billy and Monarch edged out their respective fights. 😂
Billy was ktfo and Monarch has his whole being dispersed across a alternate universe. You can't be serious. 😕

Billys punches may do more than just tickle but how much more? Not enough before his amp runs out.

Funny how Spectre was pounded to utter crap when Monarch never was. Spectre, by the end of the fight, couldn't even fly away under his own power. That is literally how close he was to defeat. Funny how Monarch, a being far below Spectre or DOV Marvel, ended up beating the Guardian amp out of Prime and was never that exhausted at any point before the tired cliche comic book trope of containment suit rupture kicked in.

I couldn't care less for your no limits fallacy to Prime's magic resistance. He never fought anyone with enough magic power to beat the crap out of Spectre to the point where he can't even fly under his own power. This remains true:

Originally posted by Galan007
Depends how 'immune' to magic you believe GA Prime was, I suppose. However, I personally believe Billy could one-shot him.

Originally posted by Uriel005
you mean the future version who was the same guy as the Mordru from the DoV run...

Kinetix amped up on every bit of magic in a universe was unable to affect SBP at all. JSA mordru and Legion mordru are the same, mordru isn't the same as other characters like darkseid. He's the same guy throughout the history.

If Marvel uses magic to try to fight prime, he'll lose quickly. If be uses magic to amp his physical strength, he'll prolong the fight but will lose in the end.

Prime killed monarch after his amp had already run out. At that time monarch still housed universe destroying energies. So he really didn't need the amp to kill monarch because be killed him without it anyway.

Superman-Prime (Guardian Amped) would wipe the floor off of Captain Marvel (DOV).

Captain Marvel had a hard time against an enraged Spectre (with no host) and backing from Presence, which means the Spectre that Captain Marvel fought at Day of V. was weaker than other incarnations.

Superman-Prime was able to fight Monarch (albeit we don't know if Monarch was going all out). Monarch is probably much stronger than the Spectre (DOV), as he was a multiversal threat IIRC.

So Superman-Prime destroys Captain Marvel.

Originally posted by quab
Monarch is probably much stronger than the Spectre (DOV), as he was a multiversal threat IIRC.

Originally posted by ODG
Why are you reiterating unextraordinary statements of uncontested facts? And why exactly aren't you also adding in normal Billy having the sh1t beaten out of him by Spectre before the amp even kicked in or that the Shadowpact kept jabbering to Enchantress when she asked them all to shut up so as not to break her concentration? The more surprising part is, does Billy need to have more Spectre-level power to beat up Prime? Exactly what level are you placing GA Prime? Spectre's?

Billy got his ass kicked. Whoop de doo. He was fully restored after the amp. I guess you forgot.

The distractions Enchantress encountered are insignificant. The point is that Billy will only have this amp for the duration he had it in DOV which was short. This is not Billy with an everlasting amp furnished by a undistracted Enchantress vs Prime. Yes Billy does need to have more Spectre level power. It's not about Primes level but how long he can weather the storm with his magical resistance before he sends Billy up shits creek. With a hole in the boat & no paddle.

Originally posted by ODG
Funny how Spectre was pounded to utter crap when Monarch never was. Spectre, by the end of the fight, couldn't even fly away under his own power. That is literally how close he was to defeat. Funny how Monarch, a being far below Spectre or DOV Marvel, ended up beating the Guardian amp out of Prime and was never that exhausted at any point before the tired cliche comic book trope of containment suit rupture kicked in.

Funny how Billy was laid comatose with Spectre still standing. Your spin on the fight doesn't change what's displayed on panel. You're supposed to know this stuff.

Base Prime has tanked a triple team Guardian blast then forced a Guardian into self destruction. His invulnerability, non melee based, is well documented. Prime tanked 1 concentrated quantum nuke blast and 1 energy projection attack from Monarch. I can't see how you view this as a significant drainage considering his standard durability, opposed to how he burned off excess energy prior to this fight.

Originally posted by ODG
I couldn't care less for your no limits fallacy to Prime's magic resistance. He never fought anyone with enough magic power to beat the crap out of Spectre to the point where he can't even fly under his own power.

On the flip side, until Prime fights a being the caliber of which would have any sufficient effect, then it's pure conjecture on your part to believe Billy would have the profound effect you're trying to project. Spectre was able to extract the Spear of Destiny so I think we can agree he was in better shape.

^ Don't even care. You're trying to raise GA Prime up to Spectre's level. Go create that thread and hope it doesn't get shut down for being idiotic like the others.

Billy got his sh1t kicked in before he ever received that amp. Enchantress had idiots yapping left and right and her telling them to shut up because they wre, in fact, not helping her concentration. And FFS, a character DOES NOT need to be Spectre+ levels of power to beat up GA Prime.

Monarch phucking did it and he wasn't so weakened and diminished that he was crawling around and desperately asking some ally to fly him away. Jebus H. Christ.

Why would Billy's amp wear off? His amp losing power was due to an outside source. Prime's was due to internal.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Don't even care. You're trying to raise GA Prime up to Spectre's level. Go create that thread and hope it doesn't get shut down for being idiotic like the others.

Billy got his sh1t kicked in before he ever received that amp. Enchantress had idiots yapping left and right and her telling them to shut up because they wre, in fact, not helping her concentration. And FFS, a character DOES NOT need to be Spectre+ levels of power to beat up GA Prime.

Monarch phucking did it and he wasn't so weakened and diminished that he was crawling around and desperately asking some ally to fly him away. Jebus H. Christ.

yawn

Now you're acting like you have comprehension problems. Or is this just the toddler pouting/ignoring phase?

DOV Captain Marvel

Originally posted by Sundipped
yawn

Now you're acting like you have comprehension problems. Or is this just the toddler pouting/ignoring phase?

Originally posted by Sundipped
Yes Billy does need to have more Spectre level power. It's not about Primes level but how long he can weather the storm with his magical resistance before he sends Billy up shits creek. With a hole in the boat & no paddle.

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Blah Blah Blah....

This isn't about Spectre but magic based/amped Billy.

How much power would a magic being have to have to beat Prime?

Universal, multiversal?