Ionic Wonderman vs Apollo

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't see it that way at all. What is Apollo's best strength feat? Lifting a sky scrapper? Well... Wonder Man as lifted an entire island. That's the level of power discrepancy between Apollo and a Wonder Man level character, facing him off against planet busters like Superman or Thor is an even greater mismatch. Strength. Speed. Durability. Good combat showings against established characters. Wonder Man's feats are above Apollo's... and not by a little bit.

Aside from you wanting him to be a contender, what has Apollo done that suggest Thor or Namor wouldn't easily beat him, which you previously stated you have a problem with?

Speedblitzing Earth to destroy an elder god and walking away like it was nothing. Destroying a space station with "a docking bay the size of a continent." So, planet-sized, easily. The skyscaper feat (in relation to Rogue - comparing to WM is strawman-ish, since I never said Apollo would win). His fight with Cpt. Atom. Zipping through a cityscape multiple times before the light trail from his earlier paths has disappeared. He can fly around the world in under a minute by best feat estimates...not Superman level but certainly >>> any meta. Hanging out inside the sun which, despite being his power source, is a ****ton of heat and explosive energy to endure. Covering the entire moon in heat vision.

Those aren't classic Rogue level. She doesn't one-shot planet-sized spaceships and zip through multiple baddies in a single panel. Apples and oranges. Apollo is legit low herald. Nothing more, but deservedly there. If you disagree, those are most of his best feats (not all, but they're fairly indicative) so at that point we just don't see eye to eye on the same showings.

srug

I admit to being somewhat impressed by Apollo's DCnU showing against Atrocitus, so depending on which incarnation of Apollo this is, I would would definitely give the DCnU version a good chance at holding his own.

As for being unaware of a punch coming, it has been proven that a prepared person will be able to take far more than one that was unaware of the punch coming. This is what killed Houdini. He took many punches to the gut from various people, and was unhurt by them, and then one day while he was not expecting a punch to the gut, an unknown average man from out of nowhere punched him, and it was this unexpected punch that sent him to the hospital where he later died.

I think Simon has the power to put some very tough guys down, but I have my doubts that he would have put Thor away with one punch, if he was expecting the punch coming.

I am going with simon 8/10

Simon easily. One of the most underrated characters in comics.

Simon, but a hard fight.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Simon easily. One of the most underrated characters in comics.

Apollo should win this.

Classic WM wins in a stomp. Dude was stalemating merged hulk in slugfests and shit like that.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
"Cheap shot" or other wise it shows what happens if Simon can connect cleanly with a blow. He can one shot characters with far superior durability than Apollo with a gut shot. If he lands a clean haymaker like that to Apollo's head, he'll kill him.

DCnU Apollo is a completely different character than the Wildstorm version and his feats aren't transferable. If you'd like to use the DCnU version that is fine by me, but that makes this fight and even bigger mismatch.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Classic WM wins in a stomp. Dude was stalemating merged hulk in slugfests and shit like that.

Originally posted by h1a8
IMO Superman is sometimes written down too.

Sometimes? how bout almost all the time?

Originally posted by Digi
Speedblitzing Earth to destroy an elder god and walking away like it was nothing. Destroying a space station with "a docking bay the size of a continent." So, planet-sized, easily. The skyscaper feat (in relation to Rogue - comparing to WM is strawman-ish, since I never said Apollo would win). His fight with Cpt. Atom. Zipping through a cityscape multiple times before the light trail from his earlier paths has disappeared. He can fly around the world in under a minute by best feat estimates...not Superman level but certainly >>> any meta. Hanging out inside the sun which, despite being his power source, is a ****ton of heat and explosive energy to endure. Covering the entire moon in heat vision.

Those aren't classic Rogue level. She doesn't one-shot planet-sized spaceships and zip through multiple baddies in a single panel. Apples and oranges. Apollo is legit low herald. Nothing more, but deservedly there. If you disagree, those are most of his best feats (not all, but they're fairly indicative) so at that point we just don't see eye to eye on the same showings.

srug

👆 Apollo can be a beast.

Originally posted by iceman24567
😆

Early Wonder Man was written to be Marvel's answer to Superman. Since then, there have been many other attempts to fill Clark's role in the 616, of course. But, Simon was the first.

So, when he came on the scene, Marvel had him doing top-tier strength feats, shrugging off attacks from the biggest guns in comics and showing some of the highest durability around.

So, unless you have those books in front of you and have figured out a way to dismiss Simon's history, you might want to rethink your stance.

Or, were you just posting that laughing smilie because it amused you so much you wanted to share with all of us?

Aaaahhhhh... Horrificus rolls around in a huge pile of old comics, absorbing their lost knowledge... 🙄

Originally posted by Horrificus
What's so funny clown-boy?

Early Wonder Man was written to be Marvel's answer to Superman. Since then, there have been many other attempts to fill Clark's role in the 616, of course. But, Simon was the first.

So, when he came on the scene, Marvel had him doing top-tier strength feats, shrugging off attacks from the biggest guns in comics and showing some of the highest durability around.

So, unless you have those books in front of you and have figured out a way to dismiss Simon's history, you might want to rethink your stance.

Or, were you just posting that laughing smilie because it amused you so much you wanted to share with all of us?

Aaaahhhhh... Horrificus rolls around in a huge pile of old comics, absorbing their lost knowledge... 🙄

Originally posted by iceman24567
No fool Wonder Man has never been one of the most underrated characters in comics. Even posts in this thread shows this much hes ranked where comics show he is hence why he gets the nod in this thread due to his Ionic phase. You want to complain about him being underrated when hes not? I will continue to laugh

Dig deeper and come back with some info.

I think Digi summed it up pretty nicely on the feats department. WM isn't going to stomp.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I think Digi summed it up pretty nicely on the feats department. WM isn't going to stomp.

Originally posted by Horrificus
That is no argument and you don't know what u r talking about. Pointing out other posts and giving your lame opinion doesn't help your position.

Dig deeper and come back with some info.

Wonder Man gets underrated and overrated by various posters. No different from most of the characters in comics.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Wonder Man gets underrated and overrated by various posters. No different from most of the characters in comics.