Galactus vs Team Trans

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It only hit the abstracts... don't see your point there.
Yes, the look of it. It's not exactly in Galactus' history to fire red lightning either. Therefore, we should conclude Galactus never fired anything because it didn't look right. Stupid argument.

But wait, the first Godblast on panel was lightning and bands of force waves...
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir52-Godblast161.jpg

So the look is defeated, but being one with the hammer, well, let's see about that... Keep in mind the wording is different, but that's likely due to this being the only time Thor hasn't talked while doing it.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual037.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual038.jpg

The blast was so powerful it actually knocked all three of them out bad enough that Galactus had to wake them up. So obviously it must have been pretty weak.

Galactus at his weakest levels ever made a team of Gladiator, Thor, Iron Man, Thing, etc retreat while fighting the Kree/Shi'ar. Beat a team of Wonder Man, Surfer, Thor, SW, Sue, Vision, AM in the Suit. The Secret Wars fiasco. One feat in particular seems interesting to bring up where he basically blinked and almost killed Xavier, Magneto, and a bunch of X-Men... considering Xavier's recent feats anyway. Meh. Weakened Galactus sucks.
He's been beaten twice off the top of my head while weakened by heroes (one was in a dimension where his powers weren't working, and the other was when he was rapidly shrinking and got hit by a Strange's "Stare"😉. OMG. Now let's look at the difference between weakened and powered Galactus (besides the Godblast).
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Absorbing/brb_03_12.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Absorbing/brb_03_13.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Absorbing/brb_03_15.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Absorbing/brb_03_17.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Absorbing/brb_03_18.jpg

It's obviously not a big gap.

No, however the mere fact that they were easily being defeated by the Greys, and with the army they were able to run quite a bit of them proves they were decently powerful. Plus, the only reason Surfer/Thor survived is because of an anti vortex and Rachel helping them get away and attack. Otherwise they would have been treated just like the canon fodder army.

They were fighting Galactus, not each other at that time.
And the heralds were shielded, and the attack wasn't even directed at them. It also took them 3 pages to "join the fray" as well.

It kind of does though. If you get hurt that bad, you'd figure that the first thing to be affected would be the mind and concentration. Yes it hurt him, but considerable pain and agony it did not cause.
Plus, Galactus again has shields and isn't locked in a mind battle with someone more powerful than any single being in this thread besides himself.

But you mentioned it here. Thanos was the one who fired off the first attack.
Sure if we base Galactus entirely around the questionable writing in the Thanos mini, then the team probably wins. But if we actually take other things into account, you know, practically every other feat ever where Galactus doesn't drain his power that fast even when hungry, then it starts to look questionable.
Galactus fought In-Betweener in a weakened state after coming out of a coma. Clearly Thanos' forcefields should drain him. Same with his immensely destructive fight with Mephisto. He started that off weak as well, yet clearly the one blast on Thanos should tax him more than a whole fight.
Either that or Thanos has abstract-esque shields... This should go into KMC circulation IMO.

I don't see any lightning in those panels . Nor is there is a mention of it .

And "body,mind,emotion and spirit" equate to the godly asgardian life-force how exactly ?

Are you referring to time when he made Red-Shift his herald ? When his own ship was used against him , to turn him into a star ? IIRC , then he had been going on a crazy foodfest(due to his increasing hunger) during that story arc , and he had just devoured the planet Verdant , until that Kree/Shiar armada along with Earth's heroes attacked him . That doesn't really equate to "at his weakest levels ever" .
So you were referring to Secret Wars then .
Never denied that in a fed state he can no-sell teams of heroes(upto herald-level) . However , it can't be denied either that at hungry/starving levels , he can be beaten by similar teams of heroes .

Are you trying to imply that unfed/hungry/starving Galactus is == or close to fed Galactus ? Then

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
This should go into KMC circulation IMO.

They were pretty close to the epicenter of Galactus' initial blast , and as you can see it shattered Surfer's shield , and Rachel was clearly hit by it .

Meh . Maybe my wording was inappropriate . Anyways ,the point was that he hurt Galactus sufficiently enough to cause the latter to scream in pain .

Thanos' shields taxed him . You can (selectively)dismiss it all you want , but there really is nothing to discuss here .
Btw , was it ever specifically mentioned or even alluded to that he was weak at the beginning of his fight with Mephisto ?

As I said before , I can see arguments being made on both sides . Which is why I only give the team a very slight majority , not w/o huge losses .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Yeah , and according to you his showings/depiction in that Thanos mini are not quite in line with Galactus' history . Funny that you try to dismiss one particular showing because its not in line with comic book history according to you , yet accept the other w/o any qualms . When did I say they never fired anything ? There simply is no proof that it was a godblast . Sorry , but the Godblast has never been represented as a barrage of lightning , and your dismissal of my assertion as a "stupid argument" doesn't change that .

I don't see any lightning in those panels . Nor is there is a mention of it .

And "body,mind,emotion and spirit" equate to the godly asgardian life-force how exactly ?

Are you referring to time when he made Red-Shift his herald ? When his own ship was used against him , to turn him into a star ? IIRC , then he had been going on a crazy foodfest(due to his increasing hunger) during that story arc , and he had just devoured the planet Verdant , until that Kree/Shiar armada along with Earth's heroes attacked him . That doesn't really equate to "at his weakest levels ever" .
So you were referring to Secret Wars then .
Never denied that in a fed state he can no-sell teams of heroes(upto herald-level) . However , it can't be denied either that at hungry/starving levels , he can be beaten by similar teams of heroes .

Are you trying to imply that unfed/hungry/starving Galactus is == or close to fed Galactus ? Then

They were pretty close to the epicenter of Galactus' initial blast , and as you can see it shattered Surfer's shield , and Rachel was clearly hit by it .

Meh . Maybe my wording was inappropriate . Anyways ,the point was that he hurt Galactus sufficiently enough to cause the latter to scream in pain .

Thanos' shields taxed him . You can (selectively)dismiss it all you want , but there really is nothing to discuss here .
Btw , was it ever specifically mentioned or even alluded to that he was weak at the beginning of his fight with Mephisto ?

As I said before , I can see arguments being made on both sides . Which is why I only give the team a very slight majority , not w/o huge losses .

4th panel looks like lightning. More importantly though, it differs from every other visual appearance of the Godblast on panel, and it's the birth of the Godblast. Should we just ignore the look of the first one when talking about what they should look like. Whereas you're arguing about the look of a blast in a comic where Galactus was even firing lightning. As you can see, appearance isn't everything.

All that they are. Does all that Thor is not include his life force? Is Thor's life force seperate from everything that he is? Just chilling in another dimension waiting until Thor says "life force"?

Are you sure you read that series right? He was pretty much poisoned and every planet "eaten" barely did anything for him. He was driven mad from not ever having a full real meal and it basically equated to him living off a supply of candy.
Focusing on "weakest ever" matters little when he was weak, ill, etc in that series. And he made the Avengers retreat. There's more examples of a weakened Galactus beating or driving the heroes off than there is of him losing. Not exactly a good point to use.
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I was referring to times when he did. Not one specific instance.
And you completely failed to understand that Galactus has never fought a team of heroes while fed. The closest is the recent Thor annual.
And you also completely failed to realize that Galactus is fed here.

No... not at all. Did you even look at the scans? Galactus gets dropped while weakened by the armada, and as soon as he eats he one shots them. It's so simple I didn't think I needed to explain it.

Yes they were. Yet they got hit by the backlash of it as you can clearly see it enveloping Other and Scrier first and foremost.

And Rachel wasn't seen again for four pages while Thor and Surfer joined the fight in 3. She was shielded and still was dropped. Absolutely terrible feat for Galactus I guess.

I realize he was. But it was stupid. Galactus has never been weakened from firing one shot like that before or after. There is nothing to discuss.

Yes. It's right there on paper. Nova summons Galactus, Surfer fights her. Galactus one shots them, but damages the planet so he won't eat it. Leaves, Mephisto beats up Surfer, then Nova summons Galactus, and he fights Mephisto. All without eating the planet.
Here's just the panel where Galactus talks about not eating the planet.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/ssjd-43.jpg

And you're basing this entirely on weak Galactus and Thor hurting him. Great argument.

Galactus.

He's already one or two shot a couple of people on the list (e.g., Thanos and Loeb force Rulk). He could probably do the same to the other trans characters, more or less.