Originally posted by Batman-PrimeSuperman is already on his way, by the time Surfer has registered that the race has started.
Surfer, though I think they are close in travel speed. Norrin should have the better start iow instant, while Kal has to accelerate.
Couple that, with the fact that Superman has outsped Mandrakk's reality-blitzing missles (which is a ridiculous feat, but that's Final Crisis and Grant Morrison)
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/blitzrealityblitzing1.jpg
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And this wouldn't be to Surfer's liking.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman is already on his way, by the time Surfer has registered that the race has started.Couple that, with the fact that Superman has outsped Mandrakk's reality-blitzing missles (which is a ridiculous feat, but that's Final Crisis and Grant Morrison)
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/blitzrealityblitzing1.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/blitzrealityblitzing2.jpgAnd this wouldn't be to Surfer's liking.
I think they are both aware when the race start. I think it will be like a normal start, with a countdown.
They start on Earth, so I think Superman has to take care of his Speed while in the atmosphere, except of this I was thinking of his Light Speed feat with the Shadow moon and that he had to work "hard" to reach that speed. It might take less then a second but I think that Surfer with his cosmic awareness and his cosmic powers (Board) is capable to get into his top speed instantly, while Supes would need some "nano?"-seconds.
Just my thoughs on this.
As for the Final Crisis. Imho Superman was operating at least on Trans level there if not Skyfather. And it's hard to judge how fast those reality missles were.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeThey both have to percieve the 'start' of the race, be it a countdown or whatever else. Superman's perception and processing works much faster, so he'd start accelerating and heading towards Pluto exponentially faster, before Surfer would process that the race has started and start accelerating himself.
I think they are both aware when the race start. I think it will be like a normal start, with a countdown.They start on Earth, so I think Superman has to take care of his Speed while in the atmosphere, except of this I was thinking of his Light Speed feat with the Shadow moon and that he had to work "hard" to reach that speed. It might take less then a second but I think that Surfer with his cosmic awareness and his cosmic powers (Board) is capable to get into his top speed instantly, while Supes would need some "nano?"-seconds.
Just my thoughs on this.
As for the Final Crisis. Imho Superman was operating at least on Trans level there if not Skyfather. And it's hard to judge how fast those reality missles were.
The race taking place on Earth and Superman restraining himself is a good point, if a bit inconsistent. Sometimes he reaches crazy speeds on Earth, sometimes a writer remembers that hey, that would wreck shit up. Let's not pretend that there haven't been instances (many of them) where Surfer wasn't able to reach his top speed 'instantly', or even close to that. There've been times where he's taken a while to reach lightspeed, or even less than that, and to my knowledge, there's no such thing as him "instantly" hitting his top speed, ever.
Yeah, he was ridiculously competent - but, like I said, that's Grant Morrison's Superman at his height. The missles were already launched, and they were about to blitz-sterilize reality, so Superman (and the others) had to act. Surfer's acceleration feats compare to that - and Superman accelerated even faster.
Originally posted by Philosophía
They both have to percieve the 'start' of the race, be it a countdown or whatever else. Superman's perception and processing works much faster, so he'd start accelerating and heading towards Pluto exponentially faster, before Surfer would process that the race has started and start accelerating himself.The race taking place on Earth and Superman restraining himself is a good point, if a bit inconsistent. Sometimes he reaches crazy speeds on Earth, sometimes a writer remembers that hey, that would wreck shit up. Let's not pretend that there haven't been instances (many of them) where Surfer wasn't able to reach his top speed 'instantly', or even close to that.
Yeah, he was ridiculously competent - but, like I said, that's Grant Morrison's Superman at his height. The missles were already launched, and they were about to blitz-sterilize reality, so Superman (and the others) had to act. Surfer's acceleration feats compare to that - and Superman accelerated even faster.
But wouldn't his Cosmic Awareness allow him to perceive the start at the very exact moment? I also imagine his Board and Power Cosmic to work like an explosion or like a Jet whose engines are at max power and at the start he releases the breaks. Superman imho can't do that, he has to accelerate, even though it won't take him long it's still a step behind such a "fast start".
Yeah, I always though he tries to take his time till he goes beyond the speed of sound so he won't do serious damage around him, though in the restaurant with Flash they talked and acted within a second they didn't move a lot. And in the very same comic he had to work also hard to grab Flash.
I agree on the Surfer but due to his Cosmic Powers, a plot device more or less, he can keep the collateral damage at bay.
He lifted infinity there, so yes he operated beyond his average self. In this Race I think we take their "average" and Supes would accelerate, to reduce damage and because of the instances where he had to work to reach a certain speed. The high end speed of both should be similar imho, at least that would be my guess how they would be portrayed in comics, so Surfer should, with a better start, reach Pluto a nanosecond before Supes. ^^
Originally posted by PhilosophíaPhil, shut up.
Superman is already on his way, by the time Surfer has registered that the race has started.Couple that, with the fact that Superman has outsped Mandrakk's reality-blitzing missles (which is a ridiculous feat, but that's Final Crisis and Grant Morrison)
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/blitzrealityblitzing1.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/blitzrealityblitzing2.jpgAnd this wouldn't be to Surfer's liking.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
But wouldn't his Cosmic Awareness allow him to perceive the start at the very exact moment? I also imagine his Board and Power Cosmic to work like an explosion or like a Jet whose engines are at max power and at the start he releases the breaks. Superman imho can't do that, he has to accelerate, even though it won't take him long it's still a step behind such a "fast start".Yeah, I always though he tries to take his time till he goes beyond the speed of sound so he won't do serious damage around him, though in the restaurant with Flash they talked and acted within a second they didn't move a lot. And in the very same comic he had to work also hard to grab Flash.
I agree on the Surfer but due to his Cosmic Powers, a plot device more or less, he can keep the collateral damage at bay.He lifted infinity there, so yes he operated beyond his average self. In this Race I think we take their "average" and Supes would accelerate, to reduce damage and because of the instances where he had to work to reach a certain stpeed. The high end speed of both should be similar imho, at least that would be my guess how they would be portrayed in comics, so Surfer should, with a better start, reach Pluto a nanosecond before Supes. ^^
Whether cosmic awareness tells him "you have to accelerate in 3 seconds", or a countdown shows him 3,2,1 it's still the same thing - he is the one who has to initiate the action, and it's up to his perception and reaction time (which is considerably inferior to Superman) to do so. There is no automatic pilot, or stipulation that he 'programs' the board to start flying as soon as the bell rings, eventhough he himself hasn't percieved the fact that it's time to go.
The board doesn't instantly reach top speed - it has to accelerate, just like Superman.
Him being 'careful' once he reaches the speed of sound is inconsistent. There are a shitload more scenes where he isn't careful going far, far faster than sound, than the ones where he has to be extra-careful, though. I'm not sure why you think him working hard to grab Flash contradicts anything.
On 'average' Superman doesn't need to be careful when going faster than sound in Earth's atmosphere; the examples of him not needing to outweight the ones where he does to a ridiculous degree. Surfer doesn't instantly accelerate to his top speed even on his highest of ends, nevermind average, either.
Meh.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Whether cosmic awareness tells him "you have to accelerate in 3 seconds", or a countdown shows him 3,2,1 it's still the same thing - he is the one who has to initiate the action, and it's up to his perception and reaction time (which is considerably inferior to Superman) to do so. There is no automatic pilot, or stipulation that he 'programs' the board to start flying as soon as the bell rings, eventhough he himself hasn't percieved the fact that it's time to go.The board doesn't instantly reach top speed - it has to accelerate, just like Superman.
Him being 'careful' once he reaches the speed of sound is inconsistent. There are a shitload more scenes where he isn't careful going far, far faster than sound, than the ones where he has to be extra-careful, though. I'm not sure why you think him working hard to grab Flash contradicts anything.On 'average' Superman doesn't need to be careful when going faster than sound in Earth's atmosphere; the examples of him not needing to outweight the ones where he does to a ridiculous degree. Surfer doesn't instantly accelerate to his top speed even on his highest of ends, nevermind average, either.
Meh.
